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BRIGGS
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5/12/2005  1:12 PM
I knd of got into in another post, but I had a full re-assessment of Splitter and know believe 10000% that he should be our pick, no questions asked at 8. I probably watched 3 hours of the championship game tape, and as I watched slowly, I became very enamored with this player. I can tell you without reservation that he will measure in at OVER 7 feet and he is not only agile but has tremendous wingspan and broadness in his shoulders. In one sequnce, he tried a reverse lay up from an improbably angle and missed, but it showed me that this guy can be a force on both ends, he has the offense in him--in fact I went back and checked some of his ACB schedule, wher he was more of a featured offensive player and he had multiple 20-10 games. I think this kid will be as good or better all-around player than Kristic when he is fully prepared, a serious potential NBA 20-10 player.
I think he will measure at 7-0 1/2 242
Everyone makes mistakes, and my inital assessment of Splitter was based on watching him life. When you watch tape, and rewind and rewind and rewind, and pick up the subtlies, you can see what I saw. And what I saw was a 7 foot+ guy with SERIOUS potential, + a guy who can play RIGHT now for the knicks and really help a lot in the D+R from the 5 spot.
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5/12/2005  1:25 PM
I trust your assesment on splitter Briggs, we could sure use a talented big, I wonder if Green is still around, do you want splitter still?
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5/12/2005  1:32 PM
ive heard he isnt staying in this draft unless he's promised a top 5 spot.. something like that.

Good write up.. thanks. I would like to go big in this draft. I wouldnt have a problem with someone like Warrick as I think he and Ariza could combine for some nice matchup possibilities for years to come.

I like some of the guards in this draft but I think we would be better served to sign a guy like Charlie Bell who's having a GREAT career in Europe, is dominating and playing at a very high level at 25-26 years old.

If we could pull off that KT for Spoon and #24 trade, then possibly use the #24 and #30 to move up and get Warrick its feasible we can do something like
Splitter
Warrick
Charlie Bell (3 years $4.5mm portion of MLE)
Jason Maxiell (pick #54)
extend Ariza (3 years $6mm portion of MLE)
resign Butler (3 years $2.5mm portion MLE)

we can really inject some youth and athleticism into this team and organization while locking up some good prospects to small $$$ giving us great flexibility in 2 years when the Houston conglomerate expires.

Buyout Penny + Spoon and DONT trade TT. Just let him go unless some team is willing to give you a Baron Davis caliber guy in a firesale. Otherwise hasta la vista beotch

get Rick Adelman
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5/12/2005  1:34 PM
Jason Maxiell totally dominated in the Chi camps. Its crap competition, but at 6-7 250 he's got great speed and is a tough player at that size. He's athletic and blocks a lot of shots also. He's probably a more exposive Malik Rose on this level, but at pick 54 thats a nice piece to have.
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5/12/2005  1:52 PM
not to kill a dead horse but I think this is a direction that makes a lot of sense for us...

http://www.acb.com/stsacum.php?cod_equipo=BRE&cod_competicion=LACB&cod_edicion=49

23 points per game, 6FTs a game 44% from 3, 51% from 2. Will be 26 this year, MVP candidate in his league. Tough defensive player.
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5/12/2005  1:55 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Jason Maxiell totally dominated in the Chi camps. Its crap competition, but at 6-7 250 he's got great speed and is a tough player at that size. He's athletic and blocks a lot of shots also. He's probably a more exposive Malik Rose on this level, but at pick 54 thats a nice piece to have.
actually maxiel is going to be a steal for someone in the 2 round, but i cant justify us taking anyone who is that size, unless they played guard!


I would still stick with Nate Robinson at 30 unless someone like Rashad Mccants fell. Two other guards I would consider for 30 are John Gilchrist and Louis Williams. I would like to see us pick up Eddie Badsen with our 2 pick, we might have to move up a bit, but this kid is also going to be a 2nd round steal.


So as of right now
Im
8. Splitter 7-0 240 C I think we can get him here
30 Nate Robinson 5-8 185 G Mccants, L Williams, J Gilchrist, Gomes SF
53 Pops Mensah Bonsu 6-9 240 Eddie Badsen 6-5 215
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5/12/2005  2:03 PM
BRIGGS, interesintg post. Any chance you could watch a tape of Petro and make a comparison? I'd love to know how you'd compare him to Splitter if you got to watch him as closely.
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5/12/2005  2:08 PM
here's why I am enamored with dealing to add Warrick. If you have Splitter you have a long athletic defensive player up front. We already have scoring and playmaking in backcourt with Marbury, Crawford and possibly Bell as a low risk/cost backup there. Adding Warrick gives you two long athletic defensive players with good skills that can slide from the 2-3-4. It creates GREAT matchups for us on both ends.

Picture an uptempo scoring team
Marbury
Crawford
Ariza
Warrick
Splitter

or a bigger defensive team
Marbury
Ariza
Warrick
pick one of our 50 PFs here
Splitter

I also think guys like Mo Taylor and Sweetney would look VERY good surrounded by fast long scrappy athletic guys that can defend inside and out.
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5/12/2005  2:10 PM
I probably watched 3 hours of the championship game tape, and as I watched slowly, I became very enamored with this player.

Briggy, you gotta get more to do man!
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5/12/2005  2:12 PM
BRIGGS - Can I make a similar request for Fran Vazquez? Splitter, Vazquez and Petro are the euro bigs I am interested in for the Knicks. Petro more a mid-1st round pick if Zeke can acquire one.
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5/12/2005  2:17 PM
Posted by fishmike:

here's why I am enamored with dealing to add Warrick. If you have Splitter you have a long athletic defensive player up front. We already have scoring and playmaking in backcourt with Marbury, Crawford and possibly Bell as a low risk/cost backup there. Adding Warrick gives you two long athletic defensive players with good skills that can slide from the 2-3-4. It creates GREAT matchups for us on both ends.

Picture an uptempo scoring team
Marbury
Crawford
Ariza
Warrick
Splitter

or a bigger defensive team
Marbury
Ariza
Warrick
pick one of our 50 PFs here
Splitter

I also think guys like Mo Taylor and Sweetney would look VERY good surrounded by fast long scrappy athletic guys that can defend inside and out.

I would love to do this. For me though, if it came between choosing Warrick or Splitter, I think I might still take Warrick. Splitter can be good, but a full MLE thrown at Chris Andersen accomplishes much the same thing as drafting Splitter.
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5/12/2005  2:23 PM
BRIGGS, you are totally overreacting in my opinion. You watched the other game in which he played like crap and you said he was not a useful player. Then I told you that he usually doesn't play that bad. Now, you think he is the next Amare because he had a good game (not even a great one).
Ok, he's agile, but just like Gasol is, but his offensive game is a joke compared to Gasol's, and his defense is not something that we are going to be happy about. I'm going to send all of you my advice: if we picked him with our first pick, we are going to regret it unless he plays another year here, and even with this happening, maybe he won't live up to the expectation we have on him.
He is improving, but he is not there yet and we don't know if he'll ever be a great player in our league, not just in the NBA. Do you think is worth the risk?? Because if he becomes another Lampe (something that will probably happen if he gets drafted this year and obviously goes to the end of the bench) we will have more lottery years to come.
I don't really know what have you seen so good in him to be so excited about getting him. You just want him because he is agile??
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5/12/2005  2:27 PM
Oh, and he has had 3 games with 20+ points (and has NEVER reach 10 rebounds in a game. Yes, REALLY AWESOME.
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5/12/2005  3:14 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:

BRIGGS, you are totally overreacting in my opinion. You watched the other game in which he played like crap and you said he was not a useful player. Then I told you that he usually doesn't play that bad. Now, you think he is the next Amare because he had a good game (not even a great one).
Ok, he's agile, but just like Gasol is, but his offensive game is a joke compared to Gasol's, and his defense is not something that we are going to be happy about. I'm going to send all of you my advice: if we picked him with our first pick, we are going to regret it unless he plays another year here, and even with this happening, maybe he won't live up to the expectation we have on him.
He is improving, but he is not there yet and we don't know if he'll ever be a great player in our league, not just in the NBA. Do you think is worth the risk?? Because if he becomes another Lampe (something that will probably happen if he gets drafted this year and obviously goes to the end of the bench) we will have more lottery years to come.
I don't really know what have you seen so good in him to be so excited about getting him. You just want him because he is agile??

Amare is a once every ten years type of player, I dont put anyone in his category. This is a much different player than Lampe. This player has a strong foundation and is much more agile than Lampe, not even close. This is why he will be able to rebound and defend at a high level right away, and at 7+ 240 with long arms, it's just what the doctor ordered for the Knicks. He showed signs of flashy offensive moves and touch, although the ir main players Calderon and especially Scola[who will be a Spur next year] get the majority of touches. I would be a farthing that once Scola is gone, Splitter will avergae in the 20s every game as the starting 4 next year, he will be a 20-10 guy. This is a foundation player, this is a building block player. You cant teach people to be 7+ foot and agile, but you can teach them nuisances of the game. I see this guy as someone who can be a 16-18/12/2 50% player in this league from the 5, and do things that boxscores dont see, namely DEFENSE and intensity.


Splitter
Robinson
Badsen or Mensah
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5/12/2005  4:36 PM
I've seen him play twice on NBA TV. He barely played in both games and Lonnie Baxter was killing Splitter down low. I'm not sold on Splitter but if Taft is not available at #8 I'd rather take a project. I'd love to have Warrick but only if Isiah somehow picks up another draft pick.
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5/12/2005  5:07 PM
so would dalembert be a good comparison? And about kristic, he has a pretty good shot and knows how to use his length to score very well.

We all know a player like dalembert is what we really need on the team. A player that can block shots and start the fast breaks for us with a rebound. A BIG that can DUNK on the break besides for our fowardds...ariza,jy, and sometimes TT
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I've seen him play twice on NBA TV. He barely played in both games and Lonnie Baxter was killing Splitter down low. I'm not sold on Splitter but if Taft is not available at #8 I'd rather take a project. I'd love to have Warrick but only if Isiah somehow picks up another draft pick.

Everyone will have a different opinion, mine is this is a high quality 7 foot+ player who will be able to help right away, and has HUGE upside. you are literally talking about a guy who could work himself into pick 1-2-3 next year for sure. I have always like the big man, I think it's a key element of having a good basketball team. We have a chance to get a very good one here, a guy who will meausre over 7 feet with sneakers on IMHO, a guy who can play NBA basketball right now and hav a nice effect of the bench on the defense and rebounding, but has the skills to also become a nice offensive threat down the line in 1-2 years. You just dont get many chances to get a guy that big and agile, a guy who did play in the finals of the euro championship. If I may, when he came into the game, Tau was able to stop Maccabi time and time again in the paint because of how long Splitter is in the paint, when he went out BIg difference. You dont view this as well watching it live, much better on tape where you can rewind and look at things slower. this kid is a good basketball player. we complain we dont have any 7 footers who can play, and now one is slapping us in the face, but will the Knicks listen?


No, likely we will either trade for a retread, or take 190 pound hakim and he will see no light of day.
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5/12/2005  5:28 PM
I think you might be on to something with that little scouting report you gave us. Those games I saw I was not impressed but he also didn't play much. It's not fair to completely trash the kid just yet but I would love to see what you saw on that tape. Time will tell. We definately will get more footage on these guys as the draft approaches.
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5/12/2005  5:29 PM
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BRIGGS, you are totally overreacting in my opinion. You watched the other game in which he played like crap and you said he was not a useful player. Then I told you that he usually doesn't play that bad. Now, you think he is the next Amare because he had a good game (not even a great one).
Ok, he's agile, but just like Gasol is, but his offensive game is a joke compared to Gasol's, and his defense is not something that we are going to be happy about. I'm going to send all of you my advice: if we picked him with our first pick, we are going to regret it unless he plays another year here, and even with this happening, maybe he won't live up to the expectation we have on him.
He is improving, but he is not there yet and we don't know if he'll ever be a great player in our league, not just in the NBA. Do you think is worth the risk?? Because if he becomes another Lampe (something that will probably happen if he gets drafted this year and obviously goes to the end of the bench) we will have more lottery years to come.
I don't really know what have you seen so good in him to be so excited about getting him. You just want him because he is agile??

Amare is a once every ten years type of player, I dont put anyone in his category. This is a much different player than Lampe. This player has a strong foundation and is much more agile than Lampe, not even close. This is why he will be able to rebound and defend at a high level right away, and at 7+ 240 with long arms, it's just what the doctor ordered for the Knicks. He showed signs of flashy offensive moves and touch, although the ir main players Calderon and especially Scola[who will be a Spur next year] get the majority of touches. I would be a farthing that once Scola is gone, Splitter will avergae in the 20s every game as the starting 4 next year, he will be a 20-10 guy. This is a foundation player, this is a building block player. You cant teach people to be 7+ foot and agile, but you can teach them nuisances of the game. I see this guy as someone who can be a 16-18/12/2 50% player in this league from the 5, and do things that boxscores dont see, namely DEFENSE and intensity.


Splitter
Robinson
Badsen or Mensah
No, BRIGGS, you assume that he will be a 20/10 player because of what you have seen him play in 20 minutes per game, and you know that this game does not go this way.
I have the feeling that you just like him because he is tall (by they way, he is 6'11 -and not growing- and he is VERY thin) and he can run the floor. You don't evaluate his inteligence, his post moves and his defense, and believe me: you CAN'T teach that to a player AFTER he gets to the NBA. These are basketball fundamentals. Anyway, that's the most popular idea today that you like. To be an athlete is more important to become a good basketball player, while being inteligent, having post moves and good attitude is not (ex:Mike Sweetney).
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5/12/2005  5:42 PM
Posted by DarkKnicks:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by DarkKnicks:

BRIGGS, you are totally overreacting in my opinion. You watched the other game in which he played like crap and you said he was not a useful player. Then I told you that he usually doesn't play that bad. Now, you think he is the next Amare because he had a good game (not even a great one).
Ok, he's agile, but just like Gasol is, but his offensive game is a joke compared to Gasol's, and his defense is not something that we are going to be happy about. I'm going to send all of you my advice: if we picked him with our first pick, we are going to regret it unless he plays another year here, and even with this happening, maybe he won't live up to the expectation we have on him.
He is improving, but he is not there yet and we don't know if he'll ever be a great player in our league, not just in the NBA. Do you think is worth the risk?? Because if he becomes another Lampe (something that will probably happen if he gets drafted this year and obviously goes to the end of the bench) we will have more lottery years to come.
I don't really know what have you seen so good in him to be so excited about getting him. You just want him because he is agile??

Amare is a once every ten years type of player, I dont put anyone in his category. This is a much different player than Lampe. This player has a strong foundation and is much more agile than Lampe, not even close. This is why he will be able to rebound and defend at a high level right away, and at 7+ 240 with long arms, it's just what the doctor ordered for the Knicks. He showed signs of flashy offensive moves and touch, although the ir main players Calderon and especially Scola[who will be a Spur next year] get the majority of touches. I would be a farthing that once Scola is gone, Splitter will avergae in the 20s every game as the starting 4 next year, he will be a 20-10 guy. This is a foundation player, this is a building block player. You cant teach people to be 7+ foot and agile, but you can teach them nuisances of the game. I see this guy as someone who can be a 16-18/12/2 50% player in this league from the 5, and do things that boxscores dont see, namely DEFENSE and intensity.


Splitter
Robinson
Badsen or Mensah
No, BRIGGS, you assume that he will be a 20/10 player because of what you have seen him play in 20 minutes per game, and you know that this game does not go this way.
I have the feeling that you just like him because he is tall (by they way, he is 6'11 -and not growing- and he is VERY thin) and he can run the floor. You don't evaluate his inteligence, his post moves and his defense, and believe me: you CAN'T teach that to a player AFTER he gets to the NBA. These are basketball fundamentals. Anyway, that's the most popular idea today that you like. To be an athlete is more important to become a good basketball player, while being inteligent, having post moves and good attitude is not (ex:Mike Sweetney).

Oh no, no. First off, I was critical of his performance, especially in the q4. No this is a guy who is DEFINTELY 7ft+ and can alter games defensively in the paint as he did at the Euro final. From what I saw, this kid will be a great rebounder,11-12 pe 40 minutes a very solid shot blocker--perhaps 2.5 per 40 minutes and will be able to score well in a year or two 15-17 or so in 40 minutes from the 5 position. What I like about him at the 5 is not only is he7+, but he's agile and plays right at the basket. No, you can improve and teach offense, but you cannot teach 7+ agile, plays with intenisty--that is natural and we dont have it. This kid is a smart player--not as athletic as a Dalembart, but similar in many ways, but this kid is much smarter with way more potential, IMHO. His frame will allow him to carry 250+ easy.
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