Posted by Nalod:
Posted by tkf:
dido, I have to agree with nalod somewhat on this topic, he hit the marbury situation on the head... One thing I will say is that marbs has a unique game, I don't know if it is a euro PG style of game, He plays with a lot of explosiveness and power not often seen in a PG. He is a very good passer but not the ultra creative passer kidd and nash is on the break. In other words marbs is very good at making the passes that are available, he can get the ball there crisply. Nash and kidd create passing opportuinities, they are very creative that way. that is because I think that is the mindset from the start. Marbs mindset is to go for the scoring opportunity and when it presents itself make the pass to the open man. Either way all of these guys have been effecitve this way.. as far as making people better, I think that is a bit overstated, but marbs IMO has made Nazr look better,and even KT... I think if he had better finishers, he would be more effective. again as mentioned it is up to IT to maximize his skills..
YOu did a better job describing what I attempted too. Its almost like kidd and Nash have that ability to see the play before it happens. Almost seeing it at a diffeent dimension. Great Football QBs have that "sense" of what is happening and leading a pass to create a play.
Ewing was a lousy passer, and was not motivated. Him and nelson butted heads cuz patrick never wanted to start a break as it would take him out of the play. He was a bad passer in the high and low post. Patrick had a great out side shot where Shaq does not, but Shaq is a great passer! DOn Nelson wanted Patric to spearhead a running attack, and pass more. IN a contract Year? Not Patrick!
Patrick was a great great center, flawed, but most players are when you break them down!
good point nalod. I remember whan Nelson was here, he wanted to make Anthony mason a larger part of the offense, and patrick didn't want that.. I think that was Nelson and later Mason's undoing, their butting heads with patrick. Nelson had the right idea, but didn't go about it as diplomatically as he should of... The problem with patrick is that he was a great player, put up good numbers, but he was less Dominant that he was good. A lot of times patrick would be a good to even great player, when the knicks needed a dominant player. He was dominant in that game vs the pacers in 94 when we went to the finals, he was good in the finals vs Hakeem..
The thing about nash and kidd is that their passes often lead to easy baskets and better yet, they seem to get their players to the line, causing foul trouble and often getting them in the penalty early, I mean I have seen nash drive, have a opening for a easy lay up, just wait a split second and deliver a pass between the legs of a defender for a amare dunk and a foul, things like that change the face of a game more so than nash just getting the lay up and two points... Marbs affects the game in a different way. Now if marbs has the horses nash had, who knows.. But I do think it is clear he is not the creative passing force that nash and kidd are, and the problem with that is there are a lot of guys who can score, but not many who are passing wizzards, and that is why nash and kidd are having such a impact now when they are placed with horses that can run and score...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
