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5/8/2005  1:21 PM
I think this team could use Hakim Warrick a lot but the problem is, we may want to draft a player with more potential at 8 and he's not gonna be around at 30. With out 8th pick we should probably take Green or Taft (hoping one of them will be there.) To be perfectly honest, there's really nothing i really like that's expected to be available with the 30th pick, outside of maybe Julius Hodge. I think we need to try to package that pick (and our second rounder if needed)along with a player and move up into the 14-20 range so we're guarenteed to get Warrick. I see him being able to play both forward spots for us. If we deal Tim Thomas, Warrick and Ariza are more than capable of splitting time at the SF. I also think Warrick will be ready to contribute as much or more than anyone we take at 8. But the question is, who can we trade to get that mid first round pick, and who is a possible trade partner?
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5/8/2005  1:25 PM
it would be nice but realistically I don't think we can get a pick higher than in the 18-29 range with what we have to offer and Warrick will be long gone by then. He'll go between 8-12 IMO but I agree take the best player available with Green or Taft.
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5/8/2005  2:10 PM
I still say if you offered Tor TT for Rose and their second #2 they would do it a heartbeat. They cant afford to NOT do it
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5/8/2005  2:12 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I still say if you offered Tor TT for Rose and their second #2 they would do it a heartbeat. They cant afford to NOT do it

Rose & the 12th pick and a chance at Warrick,McCants or Petro..I would love that!
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5/8/2005  2:33 PM
I would send Tim Thomas and the 30th pick for Rose and the 16th pick without hesitation.

Another question...Say Green is gone and either Taft is gone or there are concerns about him and his pre draft workouts, do you take Warrick with the 8th if he has good workouts, or is it still too high?
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5/8/2005  2:43 PM
Posted by Knixkik:

I would send Tim Thomas and the 30th pick for Rose and the 16th pick without hesitation.

Another question...Say Green is gone and either Taft is gone or there are concerns about him and his pre draft workouts, do you take Warrick with the 8th if he has good workouts, or is it still too high?

sure if he has a better camp than Splitter & McCants. There's always room for a versatile, intangibles, winning, atheletic & defensive player on the Knicks especially when TT is as good as gone and know ones knows what Ariza will become.

But if Splitter is equally as impressive than you have to go with the 7' frontcourt guy the Knicks so desperately need. They can live with a TT/Ariza SF tandem.
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5/8/2005  4:05 PM
The more i think about it, i have no problem taking Warrick with the 8th pick. Once he develops his perimeter game he will have all-star potential, and you know he will be one of the better players in the draft right away. If Green is gone and players like Taft, Splitter, etc don't blow us away, Warrick will probably be the best pick. I just don't know why every mock has Warrick going in the 20s. Is his tweener lable really that hurtful to his stock? I would imagine he will move up at least into the teens as the draft nears.
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5/8/2005  4:15 PM
the difference between Ariza and Warrick is..well there are a lot of differences, one defends the frontcourt and Ariza defends the back court primarily but as far as offensively goes..Warrick has a pretty good looking shot its just that his team didn't need for him to shot the ball in college. So a guy like that can develope their shot in a long NBA season whereas Ariza has A LOT of work to do because his mechanics on his shot are all out of whack.

A Warrick/Ariza SF tandem would be dynamite! If you have an opposing SF who is a little taller and scores inside play Warrick on him. If you have a smaller and quicker SF then have Ariza guard him out on the perimeter. It would be really interesting offensively too seeing both guys run the floor with crawford and Marbury.
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5/8/2005  4:24 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

the difference between Ariza and Warrick is..well there are a lot of differences, one defends the frontcourt and Ariza defends the back court primarily but as far as offensively goes..Warrick has a pretty good looking shot its just that his team didn't need for him to shot the ball in college. So a guy like that can develope their shot in a long NBA season whereas Ariza has A LOT of work to do because his mechanics on his shot are all out of whack.

A Warrick/Ariza SF tandem would be dynamite! If you have an opposing SF who is a little taller and scores inside play Warrick on him. If you have a smaller and quicker SF then have Ariza guard him out on the perimeter. It would be really interesting offensively too seeing both guys run the floor with crawford and Marbury.
I think the difference between the two is Warrick has 3 years more experience and can play inside and out. He's probably a little more versatile then Ariza and has a better shot. If we drafted Warrick and traded Tim Thomas i think Ariza and Warrick would be excellent splitting time at SF, however Warrick would start. Right now i think he's just a better player. We all know how good Ariza could be, but Warrick i think could be that much better.
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5/8/2005  4:39 PM
If the Knicks really wanted to make it interesting next year they could do this!...

C-Illgaukus or Kwame
PF-TT
SF-Warrick/Ariza
SG-Crawford
PG-Steph

-you have almost everything covered there. Warrick will make up for Z's average and TT's subpar rebounding because Warrick is a great rebounder and Ariza too.

-You have both Z and TT who can score inside which should equate to one dominant post player.

-Z blocking shots and grabbing rebounds and throwing outlet passes to TT, Warrick, Ariza, Crawford and Steph!

-Plenty of PF depth on the bench

-excellent energy and defense from Warrick/Ariza powering the transition game

Much better than having no inside presense offensively and defensively with a frontline of Kurt and Sweetney!
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5/8/2005  4:45 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

If the Knicks really wanted to make it interesting next year they could do this!...

C-Illgaukus or Kwame
PF-TT
SF-Warrick/Ariza
SG-Crawford
PG-Steph

-you have almost everything covered there. Warrick will make up for Z's average and TT's subpar rebounding because Warrick is a great rebounder and Ariza too.

-You have both Z and TT who can score inside which should equate to one dominant post player.

-Z blocking shots and grabbing rebounds and throwing outlet passes to TT, Warrick, Ariza, Crawford and Steph!

-Plenty of PF depth on the bench

-excellent energy and defense from Warrick/Ariza powering the transition game

Much better than having no inside presense offensively and defensively with a frontline of Kurt and Sweetney!
I agree, solid team. I wouldn't mind at all trading Tim Thomas for Big Z (cle gets a scorer to go alongside LeBron in the last year of his contract) and Kurt Thomas for Kwame Brown. You can start Big Z along with Brown at the PF. I think if you have Z in the middle and an ultra athletic team around him you're in good shape. Z will draw a lot of attention and is a good passer. Brown and Warrick/Ariza are constant threats for backdoor passes and allyoops so that team could really mesh well.
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5/8/2005  5:12 PM
Posted by Knixkik:
Posted by gunsnewing:

If the Knicks really wanted to make it interesting next year they could do this!...

C-Illgaukus or Kwame
PF-TT
SF-Warrick/Ariza
SG-Crawford
PG-Steph

-you have almost everything covered there. Warrick will make up for Z's average and TT's subpar rebounding because Warrick is a great rebounder and Ariza too.

-You have both Z and TT who can score inside which should equate to one dominant post player.

-Z blocking shots and grabbing rebounds and throwing outlet passes to TT, Warrick, Ariza, Crawford and Steph!

-Plenty of PF depth on the bench

-excellent energy and defense from Warrick/Ariza powering the transition game

Much better than having no inside presense offensively and defensively with a frontline of Kurt and Sweetney!
I agree, solid team. I wouldn't mind at all trading Tim Thomas for Big Z (cle gets a scorer to go alongside LeBron in the last year of his contract) and Kurt Thomas for Kwame Brown. You can start Big Z along with Brown at the PF. I think if you have Z in the middle and an ultra athletic team around him you're in good shape. Z will draw a lot of attention and is a good passer. Brown and Warrick/Ariza are constant threats for backdoor passes and allyoops so that team could really mesh well.
Yeah this would put us over the hump. We would be in the middle of the pack in the east. As Ariza and Warrick develop we should be moving up in the pecking order, and when its time for H20 to retire, we may be able to add the final piece using his expiring contract.
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5/8/2005  5:36 PM
To give us an even deadlier team, i wonder if the knicks would have a shot at Lamar Odom. Would LA go for a TT and Sweetney and maybe this year's 30th pick or a future pick for Odom and Divac? If we could put something like that together here's what we would be looking at for a lineup.

C Big Z or Kwame Brown
PF Odom/Rose
SF Warrick/Ariza
SG Crawford
PG Marbury

As long as we got either Big Z or Kwame, plus pick up a back up guard, thats the type of team that would put us towards the top of the east.
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5/8/2005  6:47 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I still say if you offered Tor TT for Rose and their second #2 they would do it a heartbeat. They cant afford to NOT do it
Not sure about Toronto doing that, but I'd love that deal. It would give us a good already established player in Rose and good prospect with their 2nd 1st rd pick. To do that deal, Toronto would have to decide that winning next year (2005-6) was irrelevant. I'm a fan of (but also skeptical of) any deal where we get the better player and a draft pick
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5/8/2005  8:14 PM
I'm down with getting another pick.

Warrick will be gone somewhere in the lottery. He has the name and the National championship....plus the run and jumping ability to get him through the workouts. One thing that they said about his workout in NY is his jumpshot is vastly improved.

I wouldn't mind getting Warrick but I would like it better if the Knicks could get another guy too.......like Green or Taft. I love the idea of Warrick, Green and Ariza going at it in practice for the next few years.
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5/9/2005  10:32 AM
Warrick in the halfcourt game could be awesome. He is an incredible finisher and dunker. Every time Marbury drove the lane, teams would have to worry about Marbs dishing to Hakim for the crazy spectacular dunk. I like Warrick. Going to be awesome.
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5/9/2005  1:37 PM
So once again, why do mocks have warrick going so low? He's a lottery talent for sure.
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5/9/2005  1:38 PM
i see Warrick as a combination of Kenyon Martin & Josh Howard w/some work on polishing up his game...he's got the physical ability to be that type of player...who wouldn't want that on this team right now?
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5/9/2005  1:53 PM
I went to cuse and I got to see warrick play for 3 years. Heres the deal with him.

1) he MUST gain weight if he wants to be an effective NBA player. Theres no way around it. He has some really good post moves but there is no way hes going to be able to pull them off against NBA defenders with his frame.

2) While his post moves are good, he has a tendancy to shuffle his feet and gets called for a couple travels a game. He seemed to cut down on this his senior year, so thats a good sign.

3) He needs to become a more consistant free throw shooter. Not many people remember he missed 2 key foul shots at the end of the National Championship game right before he got back down the court to make that key block.

4) There have been rumors about his outside shot for years, but we never got to see it. He showed flashes of it at the end of this season, but he needs to make this a bigger part of his game.

Other than that, this guy is a freak of an athelete with unlimited potential. He also happens to be one of the nicest guys youll ever meet. I really hope we can trade up a few spots and steal him late in the first round.


Draft Green, trade up for Warrick, get rid of TT by any means neccessary.
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5/9/2005  1:59 PM
Draft Green, trade up for Warrick, get rid of TT by any means neccessary.

that would be an ideal offseason for me as far as i'm concerned.
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