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djsunyc
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4/18/2005  4:08 PM
i used to think it was mike hampton after that $140 mil deal with colorado. but he's still pitching and doing OK in atlanta.

denny naegle was pretty bad, but that was for a total of $69 mil.

then you have the jalen rose's, the juwan howards, jamal mashburns, the jason giambi's, etc.

but h20 signed a $100 mil deal, and has missed, in essence, 1 1/2 seasons straight with no return in sight.

is his deal the worst in sports history? closest i can think of right now is giambi and he's playing right now.
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4/18/2005  4:12 PM
A-Rod's is pretty bad but H20 is definitely the worst in history especially since he was never that good a player to begin with...a borderline allstar at best
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4/18/2005  4:15 PM
Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley deserve some consideration as they were talentless scrubs.

But- it is pretty bad
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4/18/2005  4:22 PM
2 words: Jamal Mashburn
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4/18/2005  4:28 PM
Posted by joec32033:

2 words: Jamal Mashburn

when did he get his contract?

either way it was tradeable hence he was traded and waived. What makes H20's the worst is the fact that he is untradeable and will finish his career in street cloths without contributing anything!
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4/18/2005  4:33 PM
no way.. I dont think its fair to include the guys that got hurt. My point being that at some point they earned their contracts. Houston's contract was bad because he wasnt a max player, but he was a top 10 scorer in the NBA for some time and an integral part of some solid Knick teams. Same with Mash, Penny CWebb, etc.

To me the terrible contracts are the ones where guys were paid on one good season AND overpaid at that. Houston, Mashburn, Jalen Rose, these guys were always pretty consistant, so the teams that paid them should have know what they were going to get.
Anderson, Eisley, Jim McClvaine (Sonics), Travis Knight, Tariq Wahad, Tim Thomas, Brian Grant are the bonafide head scratchers to me. I'm sure there's others. Some deals while bad I at least understand.
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4/18/2005  4:38 PM
I like how you sprinkled TT in there...blah, blah, blah, TT, blah blah lol

that was another atrocious one!
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4/18/2005  4:52 PM
Alonzo Mourning's contract w/the Nets was pretty damn bad...they signed him even w/the knowledge that he'd very possibly never play a game for them, & sure enough, he hardly ever played a single game for them, & they ended up trading him to TOR, who subsequently bought him out of his contract.
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4/18/2005  5:19 PM
How about Googs (of course minus scorching us last night )
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4/18/2005  5:42 PM
There are a lot more things about Allan Houston other than his contract that are the worst in sports history. Houston got his contract because he did great in the 99 playoffs. He hasnt been the same player after that.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 04/18/2005 17:46:50]
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4/18/2005  5:52 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

There are a lot more things about Allan Houston other than his contract that are the worst in sports history.
Such as? I can think of a number of things he's pretty bad in, but I can still name a ton who are worse.
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4/18/2005  6:03 PM
Malik Rose also got a greatly inflated contract based on his showing in the '99 playoffs, and he's hardly measured up to it since either.
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4/18/2005  6:35 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by Silverfuel:

There are a lot more things about Allan Houston other than his contract that are the worst in sports history.
Such as? I can think of a number of things he's pretty bad in, but I can still name a ton who are worse.
He can only do a "few" things so its not possible for him to be bad in a "ton" of things. How about this, other than his "sweet jumper" what else is he really good at? This thread is about his contract so its my bad in bringing up stuff, other than his contract.
Malik Rose also got a greatly inflated contract based on his showing in the '99 playoffs, and he's hardly measured up to it since either.
You are absolutely right Marv. Infact, there are a ton of people that got a big contract on just one years work such as Dampier. Malik Rose is one of them I guess. The difference is that Malik didnt get anything close to a kobe like, max contract.
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4/18/2005  6:44 PM
Id say A-Rod because they couldnt afford to go after anyone else and it killed their competitiveness.

Not his fault they threw all this money at him but he shouldnt of been surprised about the results.
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4/18/2005  6:53 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by MaTT4281:
Posted by Silverfuel:

There are a lot more things about Allan Houston other than his contract that are the worst in sports history.
Such as? I can think of a number of things he's pretty bad in, but I can still name a ton who are worse.
He can only do a "few" things so its not possible for him to be bad in a "ton" of things. How about this, other than his "sweet jumper" what else is he really good at? This thread is about his contract so its my bad in bringing up stuff, other than his contract.
Malik Rose also got a greatly inflated contract based on his showing in the '99 playoffs, and he's hardly measured up to it since either.
You are absolutely right Marv. Infact, there are a ton of people that got a big contract on just one years work such as Dampier. Malik Rose is one of them I guess. The difference is that Malik didnt get anything close to a kobe like, max contract.

exactly overpaying marginal players doesn't hurt you as much as giving guys max contracts who don't deserve them. Especially $20mil per year contracts which put them in the same league kobe, KG, Shaq & Duncan and eventually Amare & Lebron.

Gee I wonder who's is better H20 or those guys????


Once you give a franchise contract to a non-franchise player you strap you don't stand a chance to win more than 30+ games for 7yrs and you can't do anything about it because of the cap!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 04/18/2005 18:56:09]
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4/18/2005  10:23 PM
Jayson "The Murderer" Williams of the Nets. I guess it wasn't the Nets fault but they didn't have to give him so many years.
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4/18/2005  10:32 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

Jayson "The Murderer" Williams of the Nets. I guess it wasn't the Nets fault but they didn't have to give him so many years.

good one

still not worst than H20's contract though
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4/18/2005  10:53 PM
I know what you are saying. Texas really was hurting after they signed A-ROD but its not bad when you compare the two sports. Just think of a max contract player in McGrady and Vince who were traded.
Posted by Kwazimodal:

Id say A-Rod because they couldnt afford to go after anyone else and it killed their competitiveness.

2 things that make the Houston contract worse.
1) A-ROD is an excellent player deserving a "max contract". (I know there is no such thing in baseball. My point is that A-ROD was not grossly overpaid like Houseless) Hence, A-ROD and his contract can be traded unlike Allan Houston, his knees and his contract which no one wants.

2) Unlike baseball, Basketball has a salary cap. Even though the Knicks could "afford" to go after other players, they were prohibited from doing so due to the rules. You cannot blame anyone for taking money that was offered to them but Allan Houston and his contract have to be the worst in sports.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 04/18/2005 22:54:04]
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4/18/2005  11:22 PM
A-Rod has limitations but it's hard to call a league MVP overpaid.

I'd agree with Fish here that you can't blame Houston for getting injured. He was overpaid before the injury but he still was an olympian and all-star. Players with one tenth the impact when healthy making half the salary like Shandon Anderson, Clearance Weatherspoon, Howard Eisley are far worse contracts
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