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MinsHeartsReezy
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4/4/2005  11:49 PM
Ariza Gets Attention, and a Message
by Tom Kertes


GREENBURGH, NY, April 4, 2005 -- Some things you don’t often see at the end of Knicks practice: President, Basketball Operations Isiah Thomas and Knicks head coach Herb Williams working out hard and long with tremendous rookie talent Trevor Ariza. Head Trainer Mike Saunders wrapping an enormous ice pack around Tim Thomas’ left knee ON the practice floor (“The knee is the knee”, the inscrutable Thomas tossed an aside while walking off). Assistant Coach, Player Development Greg Brittenham sharing the finer points of free-throw shooting with Jermaine Jackson; Malik Rose in an avid side-line discussion with Assistant Coach Michael Malone. Assistants Mark Aguirre and Brendan Suhr dissecting the details of a particular post play -- with no players in the immediate vicinity.
Of course, you probably should expect some unusual things to occur toward the end of the season -- still, due to Thomas’ presence, Ariza’s workout got the lion’s share of attention. First it was free throws, next jump shots around the college arc from every conceivable angle. Then, with Coach Herb Williams joining in to rebound the ball -- and fellow young Knicks Michael Sweetney and Jackson watching intently from the sidelines -- the repeat of the same from NBA “three” range, both catch-and-shoot and off of a couple of dribbles.

Ariza’s form was dissected in great detail, with the position of the left elbow and the bending of both knees drawing particular attention from Thomas. “It’s real special to work with him,” Ariza smiled afterwards. “Not just because who he is -- you know, the President -- but because he’s Isiah Thomas. He usually does this with Jamal (Crawford) but, I guess, today was my turn. Sure, we worked on some details but, overall, his basic message to me was ‘be confident when shooting the ball.’”

Thomas finished the session with a 50-foot nothing-but-net straight into the ball-basket. “Is there a message in this for Trevor?” Williams pondered afterwards. “I don’t necessarily know about a special message but the one thing this organization wants to get across is that you always have to work on your craft. To be the best you can be you must stay after practice, both to work on what you do best and what you may not do so well. When you become better, you make the team better. All these guys, including Trevor, were superstars in high school, superstars in college, they did pretty much whatever they wanted to do on the floor. But in the NBA, you can’t do that. To be great at the higher level, you have to bring something extra to the table.”

“I actually feel I’ve developed a lot this season,” Ariza said. “My progress was pretty good. But all that does for me is it makes me want to do more.”

As the topic turns to tomorrow’s classic opponent -- it will be Reggie Miller’s last game at the Garden -- Williams nods his head toward the 19 year-old Ariza. “Reggie’s the best example,” says the coach. “Come out to the Garden early tomorrow afternoon, say 4 or 5 o’clock. Guess who is going to be out there shooting the ball?”

Crawford just shakes his head at the mere thought of his maddening match-up. “He’ll want to go out with a bang that’s for sure,” the young two guard smiles. “The thing about Reggie is that, no matter what age, he never stops. I’m going to have a tough time chasing him through all those screens.”

“I try to learn from everybody,” adds Crawford. “What I learned from Reggie is that, as a shooter, you’ve got to keep your confidence. No matter how you may be shooting the ball on a particular night, you have to believe the next one will go in.”

“Reggie will take and make the big shot, all right,” said Williams. “He WANTS the ball in the big situation. You can see it in his eyes. You’ve got to have, how shall I put this nicely, a lot of courage to do that.”

“As far as Trevor and the other young guys, I’ll play them more minutes… IF the situation allows it for the rest of the season,” said Williams. “Sure, it’s important to get them experience. But the No. 1 thing must always be to win the game.”

“You must build for the future by playing hard every second you’re out there, by finishing hard. And you must build for the future by winning every game possible.”

Still, Ariza also wants to keep remembering “how you feel when the results are not what they should be. I’ve got to take all that frustration and dissatisfaction,” he says. “Just remember what it feels like. Then take all that -- and do something about it next year.”

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I think this article pretty much makes it clear their optimism about the playoffs is starting to fade. Its about time. I dont know about you guys but seeing Ariza play made it so much easier watching all those games january & feb (granted i'm biased ). I check the rookie standings once in a while to see where trevor is and he fell out of the top 15 about 2 weeks ago which stinks because of his limited minutes as of late.

When ever MSG does come back on time warner, I'll be looking forward to see ariza, butler, sweetney, and yes "the big croatian" himself, Bruno Sundov play. (i dont remember who said that).

For those who have seen Butler play a few minutes, how does he look size-wise and how is his play? Any potential?



[Edited by - minsheartsreezy on 04/04/2005 23:53:16]
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4/4/2005  11:57 PM
We really haven't seen much of Butler unfortunately - 1 or 2 minutes here or there, but nothing substantial, so it's hard to predict his potential from that. Size-wise it's also hard to tell, but certainly not big enough to dominate with size alone, though he might still be growing...
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4/5/2005  12:12 AM
I think this forun can take a collective deep breath, an Amen if you will, b/c I think the best thing at this point is that they're realizing that this whole playoff thing is not working and we'll probably get to see more of butler & get a good picture of what to expect next year if he's still around. The organization is just now getting the picture but ppl in this forum have been asking for just this since January. Only thing that may hinder this is Herb trying to get a permanent position which isn't likely.
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4/5/2005  12:31 AM
“As far as Trevor and the other young guys, I’ll play them more minutes… IF the situation allows it for the rest of the season,” said Williams. “Sure, it’s important to get them experience. But the No. 1 thing must always be to win the game.”

“You must build for the future by playing hard every second you’re out there, by finishing hard. And you must build for the future by winning every game possible.”

seems to me they still want to win the games any way possible from what Herb is saying here.
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4/5/2005  12:37 AM
i think we'll start seeing more ariza and less TT starting 2morow. But i'm still not convinced that we'll see less of steph with Craw at PG and KT is still going to get 36mins whil Sweets gets only 20 and Butler will be in street cloth until the final 2 games of the season
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4/5/2005  1:10 AM
Posted by TMS:
“As far as Trevor and the other young guys, I’ll play them more minutes… IF the situation allows it for the rest of the season,” said Williams. “Sure, it’s important to get them experience. But the No. 1 thing must always be to win the game.”

“You must build for the future by playing hard every second you’re out there, by finishing hard. And you must build for the future by winning every game possible.”

seems to me they still want to win the games any way possible from what Herb is saying here.

They've been wanting to win every game since the january landslide but as ?luck? would have it, their winning efforts results in losses. And I doubt they'd ever say they want to lose every game possible, especially Herb. There's a conceding untertone, as far as the playoffs are concerned, to the whole article.
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4/5/2005  4:45 AM
“I try to learn from everybody,” adds Crawford. “What I learned from Reggie is that, as a shooter, you’ve got to keep your confidence. No matter how you may be shooting the ball on a particular night, you have to believe the next one will go in.”
Of all the things he could take from a guy like Reggie Miller, I don't think this was the right lesson for Crawford...I think he's doing okay in the "keep shooting no matter what" department...
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4/5/2005  7:02 AM
Pretty good read.

“As far as Trevor and the other young guys, I’ll play them more minutes… IF the situation allows it for the rest of the season,” said Williams. “Sure, it’s important to get them experience. But the No. 1 thing must always be to win the game.”
IF the situation allows??? Where has Herb been. You would also assume by now he would figure out playing the starters (exception of Sweetney ) for 40+ mpg isn't working.
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4/5/2005  7:32 AM
I am very glad that we have continued to lose with the starters, because that will instill a little more fire in their games next season. I hope that Marb and Crawf continue to get torch by opposing players, just so they can both realize that learning the fundamentals of the game is important. They have tried to realize so much on their sheer athleticism, and failed to develop the much needed skills necessary to be great.

Play them until the freaking end, because losing will help instil character in all of them. Remember the statement that Crawf made early on " I am part of a winning team now", who would have thought that the Bulls would be the winning team, but not the Knicks???? Very funny. Ben Gordon showed the world what and who Crawf truly is.
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4/5/2005  8:39 AM
Like MinsHeartsReezy said, it's pretty silly to read anything into the Herb quote. It would be ridiculous for him to say that they're going to stop trying to win.
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4/5/2005  9:50 AM
Posted by nyballer:
“I try to learn from everybody,” adds Crawford. “What I learned from Reggie is that, as a shooter, you’ve got to keep your confidence. No matter how you may be shooting the ball on a particular night, you have to believe the next one will go in.”
Of all the things he could take from a guy like Reggie Miller, I don't think this was the right lesson for Crawford...I think he's doing okay in the "keep shooting no matter what" department...

I was thinking the same thing!

How about the effort Reggie gives on both ends, the endless, none-stop relentless movement off screens?
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4/5/2005  9:59 AM
I don't know about anyone else, but to me Trev's game is starting to resemble Shawn Marion's very closely.
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4/5/2005  10:50 AM
Posted by franco12:

I was thinking the same thing!

How about the effort Reggie gives on both ends, the endless, none-stop relentless movement off screens?

Unreal! It really seems as though Craw is severly lacking in brain power. Reggie might shoot a lot on occasion, but he's a much better shooter than Crawford is. And when his shot isn't falling, he helps in other ways. I'm very disappointed to read Crawford speak such nonsense.
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4/5/2005  11:06 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by nyballer:
“I try to learn from everybody,” adds Crawford. “What I learned from Reggie is that, as a shooter, you’ve got to keep your confidence. No matter how you may be shooting the ball on a particular night, you have to believe the next one will go in.”
Of all the things he could take from a guy like Reggie Miller, I don't think this was the right lesson for Crawford...I think he's doing okay in the "keep shooting no matter what" department...

I was thinking the same thing!

How about the effort Reggie gives on both ends, the endless, none-stop relentless movement off screens?


exactly the statement that made me hate Crawford even more than I already did!
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4/5/2005  12:25 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Like MinsHeartsReezy said, it's pretty silly to read anything into the Herb quote. It would be ridiculous for him to say that they're going to stop trying to win.

G, Bonn...you sure made me feel dumb...what was i thinking reading into something Herb says when every move he makes has pretty much backed up that statement? when is he ever going to play these young guys? "When the situation allows" is crap...the team has been out of the playoff hunt for a week now...play the young guys...enough w/the rhetoric!
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4/5/2005  12:59 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Like MinsHeartsReezy said, it's pretty silly to read anything into the Herb quote. It would be ridiculous for him to say that they're going to stop trying to win.

G, Bonn...you sure made me feel dumb...what was i thinking reading into something Herb says when every move he makes has pretty much backed up that statement? when is he ever going to play these young guys? "When the situation allows" is crap...the team has been out of the playoff hunt for a week now...play the young guys...enough w/the rhetoric!
I don't want to make anyone feel dumb. You're one of the brighter posters here. I just have trouble understanding why people (not just you) place so much emphasis on what a GM or coach tells the media when they have no reason to tell the media their true plans. I prefer to just judge them by their actions.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04/05/2005 13:00:17]
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4/5/2005  1:09 PM
i put emphasis on Herb's actions, not his words...i just pointed out that statement because it seems to me he has no intention of changing his philosophy in the last few weeks...if he goes ahead & changes his modus operandi in the coming days & starts to play the young guys, i'll be happy...but if he keeps insisting on giving guys like KT, Malik Rose & Tim Thomas extended minutes & not allowing Ariza, Sweetney & Butler to get any significant burn, i'll be ticked.
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4/5/2005  2:30 PM
Posted by TMS:

i put emphasis on Herb's actions, not his words...i just pointed out that statement because it seems to me he has no intention of changing his philosophy in the last few weeks...if he goes ahead & changes his modus operandi in the coming days & starts to play the young guys, i'll be happy...but if he keeps insisting on giving guys like KT, Malik Rose & Tim Thomas extended minutes & not allowing Ariza, Sweetney & Butler to get any significant burn, i'll be ticked.
I assume the Knicks didn't envision a situation where they wanted to finish the season losing as many games as possible when they hired Herb. Had they envisioned this, they probably would have kept Lenny, who wouldn't be fighting for his next job. Now, if Herb is unwilling to substantially alter his playing time because he wants wins on his resume, the only options Isiah has are (a) fire Herb, which would look really bad since he'd have to hire his third coach of the season or (b) accept Herb's stance and realize that even if Herb tries to win, we still probably won't win any anyway. In this scenario, option (b) seems like the only reasonable one.
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4/5/2005  3:19 PM
whether they envisioned it or not, it's reality...they need to face up to it & make the best of it...playing out the string w/ur vets getting the lion's share of minutes accomplishes nothing...no one's going to look at Malik Rose any differently now than they did earlier this year...Sweetney's the guy they need to be showcasing.
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4/5/2005  3:25 PM
Posted by TMS:

whether they envisioned it or not, it's reality...they need to face up to it & make the best of it...playing out the string w/ur vets getting the lion's share of minutes accomplishes nothing...no one's going to look at Malik Rose any differently now than they did earlier this year...Sweetney's the guy they need to be showcasing.
That's pretty obvious. But if Herb's unwilling to do that because his future career prospects are on the line and he needs to win now, then what do you propose that Isiah should do?
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