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Any way Isiah can get Maggette & Wilcox over the summer?
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TMS
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4/4/2005  8:45 AM
i'd offer the Clippers a package of Jamal, Sweetney & the lottery pick for Corey Maggette & Chris Wilcox...Isiah needs to establish a team identity, & it's about time he started sticking to that philosophy of bringing in players who will thrive in an uptempo style game...LA probably doesn't go for this, but is there a better package we can offer? i just love both Maggette & Wilcox' game & think they would mesh perfectly w/Marbury in an uptempo style offense.

then try to trade KT for a C...maybe throw in a late 1st rounder & package w/KT to CHI for Eddie Curry? (who's value may have dropped w/his recent heart issues)

C - Curry / Rose / Butler
PF - Wilcox / Mo T / JYD
SF - TT / Ariza
SG - Maggette / Penny
PG - Marbury / Hunter? (LLE)

wow, that would be a dream. (TT & Penny could be traded at the trade deadline hopefully, since i don't see many takers for them until then regardless)
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4/4/2005  9:04 AM
Very interesting proposal. I don't agree with the exact makeup of this trade but I like the thinking. My problem is with Wilcox. I know a lot of people on this board like him - I have been flat out unimpressed with the dude. I agree that Maggette's got amazing game, but truly feel that Sweetney's a better player than Wilcox and will have a better career. WIlcox has better highlight-film dunks, that's about it. Our lotto, Jamal and Sweets is too much to give up for Maggette in my opioion. Let's see who we get with our 2 #1's, and who Isiah decides on for a coach, and let's give these guys some time as a new unit.
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4/4/2005  9:06 AM
Maggette is a stat hog. Dude got game, but part of the new breed of me first player.

Wilcox has not shown much improvement and is not getting much confidence form his coaches. LA is different now, they are trying and have a real coach. Chris just is not getting it!
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4/4/2005  9:11 AM
i feel Wilcox' true potential will be revealed playing alongside a PG like Marbury...look how good Marbury made Nazr look while he was in a Knick uniform? i feel Wilcox would be even better running the floor & finishing on the other end, though probably not as good a rebounder perhaps right off the bat than Nazr or Sweetney...but that can improve in time i feel w/the right coaching from Mark Aquirre...you can't teach athleticism, & both Maggette & Wilcox have that up the wazoo.
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4/4/2005  9:11 AM
He had 22 last night, that 3 more than sweetney's career high, and he doesn't have a buffet dinner every night, all you need is time on the floor and when he got it he has been impressive, sweetney rarely has, because he fouls out in 10 min
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4/4/2005  9:13 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Maggette is a stat hog. Dude got game, but part of the new breed of me first player.

hmm, i haven't noticed that about him, but then again i haven't watched much Clipper basketball either...from what little i have seen i think both those guys would mesh nicely w/Marbury...he does come from a good college program & has had the coaching of coach K to instill some good fundamentals into his game...put him & Wilcox next to Marbs & have a good coach like Larry Brown coaching them next year.
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4/4/2005  9:16 AM
Wlicox has had a stress fracture that has slowed him much of the year. I do remember early on when Kaman was out Wilcox was getting something like 18/11 starting at center.

Bottom line is I'm looking to deal Sweetney this offseason. Not because I have soured on him per say but we hae 5 PFs. KT and Sweetney are the most marketable so I'm focusing on moving them.

Some names that ring a bell for Sweetney are Josh Smith or Jarred Jeffries. Maybe Mo Peterson or Trenton Hassle. All guys that fill some kind of need.

Some guys that come to mind for KT are Marquis Daniels, Spoon and a pick or Desmond Mason.
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4/4/2005  9:19 AM
then try to trade KT for a C...maybe throw in a late 1st rounder & package w/KT to CHI for Eddie Curry? (who's value may have dropped w/his recent heart issues)
I don't think his value dropped that much. Maybe if he passes away from a heart attack we can get his corpse for Kurt!
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4/4/2005  9:20 AM
i like the Mason idea fish (because he's the type of athletic freak i'd like to bring in here)...but Maggette is simply a much more polished & more talented a player by far...Mason is just a highlight film & defender, but doesn't have the polished offensive game we need at the SG position.

...not crazy about the other guys, & there's no way Josh Smith is being traded from ATL...the kid has superstar written all over him...they'd sooner trade Al Harrington or Josh Childress before they let him go imho.

besides, we need to unload TT before we think about trading for a swingman...Hassle would be a decent backup, but he'll take minutes away from Ariza, which is the last thing i want to see (same goes for Jefferies)
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4/4/2005  9:46 AM
I think a trading for Wilcox is very possible, and what a lot of people don't understand that because of his length and athleticism he is going to get easy buckets......

Naz looked like an All-Star early when the guards where taking it in. He is 6'10 with length can be a very good defender and is in great shape.....Trust me on this one
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4/4/2005  10:09 AM
Posted by MS:

He had 22 last night, that 3 more than sweetney's career high, and he doesn't have a buffet dinner every night, all you need is time on the floor and when he got it he has been impressive, sweetney rarely has, because he fouls out in 10 min

HAHAHA. i love this dude!

Maggette and Wilcox are upgrades. I honestly think the Clippers may be willing to part with Maggette
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4/4/2005  10:14 AM
The Clippers would trade their franchise, if someone made an offer....

All their problems were magnified when they broke up Miles and Richardson, they lost a lot of team chemistry....

The team refused to trade Candy, and then let him go for nothing, let mo taylor go, derek anderson, Lamar Odom why who knows, Richardson, Miller, they should have traded for Baron Davis when he had the chance.....

Who like I said is a winner and Marbury is not, funny how Golden State is winning games and is going to win more than the Knicks.....

Wilcox can be had, and we need to get him, and you can add another big through a trade.......

Someone will take Kurt Thomas he is a top five rebounder.....

This team will be in business next year, using crawford as an asset is like using eisley....they bring nothing to the table and don't help you win games....
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4/4/2005  10:35 AM
Golden state is winning games kind of like last year when the knicks got marbs.

It won't last, baron davis hasn't won ANYTHING, so to say he's a bigger winner than marbury is absurd.

Baron Davis is good, but not better.
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4/4/2005  10:36 AM
I'd do this trade if we don't land the #1 pick and take Bogut
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4/4/2005  10:43 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

Golden state is winning games kind of like last year when the knicks got marbs.

It won't last, baron davis hasn't won ANYTHING, so to say he's a bigger winner than marbury is absurd.

Baron Davis is good, but not better.
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4/4/2005  10:48 AM
Yep I'd do it. One would think the Clips would too. We'd still have a ways to go as far as upgrading the roster, but there would finally be a legit 2nd option to Marbury (or maybe Corey would even be the first option). I'm still very high on Wilcox. Remember he came out after his freshman year. He's only 22. His length and athleticism give him a slight advantage on Sweets. As a starter this year Chris has gotten 12 pts 6.1 rebs and 0.8 blocks in 28.5 mins. Funny thing is Sweetney is averaging worse stats this year as a starter vs a sub.
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4/4/2005  10:48 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

Golden state is winning games kind of like last year when the knicks got marbs.

It won't last, baron davis hasn't won ANYTHING, so to say he's a bigger winner than marbury is absurd.

Baron Davis is good, but not better.

Baron Davis has made it to the second round a lot more than Steph. Steph is better on offense, but Baron is better at making those game clinching plays and playing defense. You can't argue with the turn around he started in GSW.
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4/4/2005  10:59 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Yep I'd do it. One would think the Clips would too. We'd still have a ways to go as far as upgrading the roster, but there would finally be a legit 2nd option to Marbury (or maybe Corey would even be the first option). I'm still very high on Wilcox. Remember he came out after his freshman year. He's only 22. His length and athleticism give him a slight advantage on Sweets. As a starter this year Chris has gotten 12 pts 6.1 rebs and 0.8 blocks in 28.5 mins. Funny thing is Sweetney is averaging worse stats this year as a starter vs a sub.

probably because he's going up against 1st team players on the other side rather than reserves.
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4/4/2005  10:59 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by rvhoss:

Golden state is winning games kind of like last year when the knicks got marbs.

It won't last, baron davis hasn't won ANYTHING, so to say he's a bigger winner than marbury is absurd.

Baron Davis is good, but not better.
Baron's been in the draft lottery a lot more than Steph. He had one nice year where he made it to the 2nd round. Other than that, he's usually been injured and/or watching Marbury early in the playoffs.

Baron Davis has made it to the second round a lot more than Steph. Steph is better on offense, but Baron is better at making those game clinching plays and playing defense. You can't argue with the turn around he started in GSW.
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4/4/2005  10:59 AM
yeah we won a lot of games with steph, any of those quality wins, good players can deliever one win in the playoffs.....

I seem to remember Baron and the hornets embarrassing the miami heat 3-0 in the playoffs, when they had mourning, mason, grant, jones and hardaway, and they almost beat the Nets when they went to their first championship....they just beat the sonics, the kings twice, and the suns....he is a difference maker.....

Marbury is a street legend, he scores in spurts but chokes when the game is on the line, he has done it all year, missed free throws, commited terrible turnovers not taken the game in his hands, play hot cake with the ball...good players are willing to take the big shot Marbury has not proven himself at all
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