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3/29/2005  6:16 PM
the knicks have a pressing need for a shooting guard (despite having jamal crawford). McCants could be a very good fit here in a 3 guard offense. despite his small size, he is very strong, athletic, and has a nice outside shot. if indeed where the knicks pick there is no big man really worthy of the pick, why take a guy who fills another pressing need. As a big time Duke fan, I have watched and cheared against McCants for the past 3 years, and he is a very good player. I see him as being sort of like a cross between cuttino mobley and dwayne wade.
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3/29/2005  6:34 PM
that crossover and leaping ability will be unstoppable! Not as good as Wade but very similar skills and body. some people here like to compare him to Joe Forte but thats really off imo. Forte can't do any of these things as well.
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3/29/2005  6:46 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

that crossover and leaping ability will be unstoppable! Not as good as Wade but very similar skills and body. some people here like to compare him to Joe Forte but thats really off imo. Forte can't do any of these things as well.

I think they make that comparison because of the supposed character issues with Rashad. McCants isnt 6-6, but he can really shoot it, he's very physical and athletic. IMHO, he will be one of the drafts better players. He's been a consistent .500 shooter for 3 years and were not talking about just dunking it. Hes got something of a gilbert arenas in him.
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3/29/2005  6:50 PM
Cuttino Mobley is a good comparison.
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3/29/2005  6:53 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:

that crossover and leaping ability will be unstoppable! Not as good as Wade but very similar skills and body. some people here like to compare him to Joe Forte but thats really off imo. Forte can't do any of these things as well.

I think they make that comparison because of the supposed character issues with Rashad. McCants isnt 6-6, but he can really shoot it, he's very physical and athletic. IMHO, he will be one of the drafts better players. He's been a consistent .500 shooter for 3 years and were not talking about just dunking it. Hes got something of a gilbert arenas in him.

nice scouting report briggs. I agree, shooting near 50% in his 3yrs is very impressive!

The only issue is his character supposable. I bet its not even as bad as people make it out to be. Do you know what exactly he did??? Character guys dont really scare me unless they killed someone or something to that effect and as long as we're not a Portland type team!
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3/29/2005  6:56 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:

that crossover and leaping ability will be unstoppable! Not as good as Wade but very similar skills and body. some people here like to compare him to Joe Forte but thats really off imo. Forte can't do any of these things as well.

I think they make that comparison because of the supposed character issues with Rashad. McCants isnt 6-6, but he can really shoot it, he's very physical and athletic. IMHO, he will be one of the drafts better players. He's been a consistent .500 shooter for 3 years and were not talking about just dunking it. Hes got something of a gilbert arenas in him.

nice scouting report briggs. I agree, shooting near 50% in his 3yrs is very impressive!

The only issue is his character supposable. I bet its not even as bad as people make it out to be. Do you know what exactly he did??? Character guys dont really scare me unless they killed someone or something to that effect and as long as we're not a Portland type team!

that's my post not Silvers lol
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3/29/2005  6:58 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Cuttino Mobley is a good comparison.

cuttino is a tweener I just dont see it. McCants is a lot stronger. more like Wade or a "fit" baron davis

his shooting ability is more like Cuttino. So I guess a cross between Wade/cuttino is fair. but he's not the passer wade is but we don't need him to be

I can't wait to see him play again..when does the final four start and what day does UNC play?

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/29/2005 19:01:38]
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3/29/2005  7:08 PM
hey, i was the one who compared him to forte - not in game really, but just in vibe - like a rasheed wallace type vibe when wallace was at UNC - it's like, something is just off - it's the look McCants has when he plays... something inside of him is just not right. watch him in the next game closely - not the dunks or jumpers, but his overall body language.

not that i really care about that all that much, but McCants is listed at 6'3" and is supposedly 6'2"... with sneakers. Yes the guy has serious ability. I've been watching him for several years. he is in good shape for a college player and he seems very talented - however, he seems not to have reached his potential in college (which can be seen as a good or bad thing) - something seems to be holding him back.

cuttino is a lot slimmer and a bit taller than mccants... i wonder if mccants will play the PG or SG in the NBA. Mccants actually reminds me a bit of a ben gordon type player - short, can shoot, could be a spark off the bench at SG. let's see what becomes of this guy.
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3/29/2005  7:14 PM
Ben Gordon is another really good comparison but rashad's defense is a little better imo. maybe not as good as wade and gordon but he will certainly help our SG problem. Gerald Green is still my guy though hopefully he's there for us. But I really dont think he'll go past the 4th pick. If he's gone I'd be thrilled with Taft or McCants. Then we can trade Sweetney and have our potentially dominant frontcourt player with Taft. Or we can play him at center since he's 6'10 260. If Amare can do it he can too i think but I'd rather leave him at PF and then sign a center like Hunter for the MLE unless we find a center with the later pick who they feel can help right away. If we can somehow move up to around the 15th pick by trading the late 1st rounders we'd be in amazing shape.

Imagine a lineup of:
C-Petro or Hunter
PF-Taft
SF-TT
SG-Simmons
PG-Steph

bench: crawford, sweetney(problably would be traded), & ariza!

or:

C-Petro
PF-Sweetney
SF-TT
SG-Green or McCants
PG-Steph

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[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/29/2005 20:23:39]
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3/29/2005  7:47 PM
I saw in a mock draft McCants going to POrtland and was thinking what perfect match! The guy is a diva and just itching for the money!

That might make him perfect for the NBA, or he will be like Jeff McGinnis who is talented no doubt, but without heart and a first class ass flake.

He got a boatload of talent, but he has some authority issues. He has had personal issues, but nothing of a bad character interms of breaking the law, drugs, bitchslapping, etc. Just not a good "team" kind of guy!

Its a multimillion dollar investment these kids become, and at some pick he will be of value. I would not put him near Zach Randolph and MIles and figure these three are my cornerstone players for the next 10 years!
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Posted by Nalod:

I saw in a mock draft McCants going to POrtland and was thinking what perfect match! The guy is a diva and just itching for the money!

That might make him perfect for the NBA, or he will be like Jeff McGinnis who is talented no doubt, but without heart and a first class ass flake.

He got a boatload of talent, but he has some authority issues. He has had personal issues, but nothing of a bad character interms of breaking the law, drugs, bitchslapping, etc. Just not a good "team" kind of guy!

Its a multimillion dollar investment these kids become, and at some pick he will be of value. I would not put him near Zach Randolph and MIles and figure these three are my cornerstone players for the next 10 years!

Nolad if it was me, I would bring in that Lithuanian kid and I would go through every phase of checking out exactly what he can do and if I saw something special, even knowing that it may take some more time for him to grow into his body, thats the way Id go. I think for me, unless we actually won the lottery, thats the way Id start things--thats the player I would focus on first. you cant teach being 7-2 1/2
and if he is actually athletic and skilled like what has been purported, if showed well in scrimmage, if the doctors told me he would fill out nicely to 260-270 and had a good bone structure--id do what I could to get him. If that didnt workout, Id bring in Petro and start the same process with him etc..... to me rashad McCants is an option, BUT NOT an option if a C is viable.
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3/29/2005  8:23 PM
but what 7ft+ center has really panned out other than illgaukus? Bottomline is that it is very rare that they do. Nene who i'd love to have is not even good enough to pick over amare, wade, mcgrady, pierce. And Kristic took 3yrs just to get here. Then there are tons of bigman busts like Pavel, and skita and possibly darko

I agree if Martynas or Petro look like the 2nd coming then I'd be more than happy taking the risk. But do you realize how unlikely that is!

Plus I want the Knicks to be good next year after the draft, signings and trades! Houston expiring will be the ultimate icing but I want to start winning games before then! So give me Green, Taft, McCants anyday since I feel those guys will contribute right away. Just look at the history of the lottery a lot more college & high school players panned out than foreigners. Sure there's always a nice euro player in there few and far between but never a 7ft+ center!

Keep in mind thatthe only reason Martynas is so high on mock drafts right now is because he's 7-3! it doesn't mean he's good! wait until draft camp starts and he dissapears into Pavel Poldskin land!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/29/2005 20:43:50]
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3/29/2005  8:40 PM
for anyone who thinks Gerald Green can't be a good defender....

However, those fast breaks don't just start themselves, Gerald is often the one creating the turnovers... His long arms and tremendous athleticism lead to lots of blocked shots and steals. Often creating the turnover, starting the break, and finishing with a monster dunk... Also rebounds exceptionally well for a guard/forward his size. nbadraft.net

and with the offensive game of Mcgrady with his superb shooting explosive athletic ability and thunderous dunks! Other than Bogut..he is my favorite player in this draft followed by taft then McCants.
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3/29/2005  8:51 PM
for anyone who thinks Gerald Green can't be a good defender....
However, those fast breaks don't just start themselves, Gerald is often the one creating the turnovers... His long arms and tremendous athleticism lead to lots of blocked shots and steals. Often creating the turnover, starting the break, and finishing with a monster dunk... Also rebounds exceptionally well for a guard/forward his size. nbadraft.net

and with the offensive game of Mcgrady with his superb shooting explosive athletic ability and thunderous dunks! Other than Bogut..he is my favorite player in this draft followed by taft then McCants.



there is no denying green's talent, he could end up being a very good player in the league. but there are a lot of questions about his toughness and work ethic mentoned in that nbadraft.net article and he is often compared to dorell wright on a lot of other mock drafts. he has great potential and while i wouldnt be upset at the knicks for picking him i would still puthim after bogut, taft, mcCants, martynus (cause he is a great C prospect only), splitter, etc.. i can however see your point about him but there are quite a few players i think the knicks should look at before green.
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3/29/2005  8:57 PM
I'm sure the same was said about McGrady being that 8 teams passed on him but Isiah liked what he saw and drafted him 9th overall!

at only 18, he still has a lot of time to mature

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/29/2005 20:58:56]
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3/29/2005  9:12 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

but what 7ft+ center has really panned out other than illgaukus? Bottomline is that it is very rare that they do. Nene who i'd love to have is not even good enough to pick over amare, wade, mcgrady, pierce. And Kristic took 3yrs just to get here. Then there are tons of bigman busts like Pavel, and skita and possibly darko

I agree if Martynas or Petro look like the 2nd coming then I'd be more than happy taking the risk. But do you realize how unlikely that is!

Plus I want the Knicks to be good next year after the draft, signings and trades! Houston expiring will be the ultimate icing but I want to start winning games before then! So give me Green, Taft, McCants anyday since I feel those guys will contribute right away. Just look at the history of the lottery a lot more college & high school players panned out than foreigners. Sure there's always a nice euro player in there few and far between but never a 7ft+ center!

Keep in mind thatthe only reason Martynas is so high on mock drafts right now is because he's 7-3! it doesn't mean he's good! wait until draft camp starts and he dissapears into Pavel Poldskin land!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/29/2005 20:43:50]

you start due dilligence with the C's and work down. Foreign Cs sck? So I guess Bogut scks? If they see what they like, you stay with the big man. Big men have always ruled the nBA with the exception of MJ. you start with post prospects and work down.
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3/29/2005  9:15 PM
the only player i would take over the Cs is Marvin Williams. Marvin is WELL above other NON-C prospects. IF the C prospects show they are not good enough to warrant an 8 pick or higher and MW is gone, then you can line them up.
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3/30/2005  3:07 AM
Guns, I just saw Gerald Green in the Round Ball Classic in Chicago on the tube. Of course this was an allstar game so you're never going to see a players true A-game. I do believe Gerald Green is going to make at the very least a decent pro. I don't think he's going to be an instant star in the way that Lebron or Carmelo did. He does have crazy hops, body control and he's an exceptional passer. He looks to be around 6'6" as opposed to 6'8". I don't think he's worth not taking an equivalent Center prospect like a Johan Petro because we're going to have to wait on either of them. In fact, the most impressive player I saw on the Round Ball court was Kareem Rush's little brother (who ain't so little by the way). He has the most ready NBA body imo. I also got a look at Andray Blatche who based upon what I saw is a power forward. He's not a 7 footer. More like 6'9" ro 6'10". If we're gonna invest in someone that's a lock it's just not gonna happen because all of the sure thing immediate impact players will be gone by the time we choose. Gerald Green will not make an immediate impact like a Wade or Lebron. If we've got to invest in a project then it needs to be in a big. No, we need to address our need in the middle. PETRO all the way.
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3/30/2005  7:18 AM
We need a freaking Center folks....As far as I am concerned, if we have two picks, we need to invest them both on bigs....Draft 2 Centers if we have too, because our frontline needs a lot of tweaking. Get rid of Kurt Thomas or Sweetney, bring in two bigs and experiment with them. After all, it is much easier to move big than small.
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3/30/2005  7:21 AM
Briggs, the difference is Bogut and Yao are clear cut #1-2 picks. if petro and martynas were I can't miss players I would draft them in the lottery but they are not.
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