a toast to all of those who hung in there like VDesai & Fishmike to name a few!

We going to lose this game because Sweetney was taken out after Kurt demanded that he get put back in game. But at least I was reminded that Sweetney is clearly ou best PF now and in the future. Sweetney singlehandedly got us back in this game and then was taken out for Kurt with the game tied with 4mins left. Played only 19mins scored 12pts grabbed 10rebs and at no point was he in foul trouble and was still pulled from the game!


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/26/2005 01:06:03]

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

ZEKE PLEASE TRADE KURT THOMAS!!!! he is the reason we lost this game. he sux all he has is that set up jump shot and walt frazier and mike breen make him seem like the best defensive player in the league when he actually isnt. Sweetney will never fullfill his potential till this guy leaves
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ummm, he's actually the reason we got to overtime. but i agree with the sweetney part.

Wow, simrud definately started something with the 'manup' threads.
Atleast this one I can get on board with. There's no reason Sweets shouldn't be able to get close to 30 mins a night except for foul trouble. Even if we were in the hunt, he can contribute as much as any of our other PFs.
Anyone else feel if Sweets was in the game in the closing seconds of regulation, when Marbury's layup was "blocked" by Collison, Sweets may have been there to grab the board?

Kurt Thomas will never be traded to another team. His deformed pinky on his shooting hand might scare teams. Who knows.

its gonna be really hard for Sweetney to convince you I see lol

but like I've always said. We dont need him to be a franchise player. Ever player in the starting 5 doesn't have to be a franchise player and make franchise money. If he can get in better shape and get 30mins a night instead of inexplicably getting only 19mins than there is no reason why he can't average a double-double. We still need a franchise center who can get it done defensively. If he continues to get in foul trouble and comes in way overweight next year then I would not mind trading him at all. But first I want to see what he can do. I don't want him to nailed to 19-20mins a night no matter how good of an impact he's haing in the game. Its easy to look at his minutes and see 20mins or less every night and assume he's always in foul trouble but its just not true. For whatever reason he is not allowed more than 20 something minutes a game. Maybe its because Isiah and Herb are convinced he is their best power foward and least expensive and they are trying to showcase the overpaid guys more so they can trade them. Which sucks if it's true because I rather play the best players and win!

I hear you but I don't think its hard to find a center that compliments Sweetney's game which is all about hardwork and having a knack for the ball and getting a lot of offensive rebounds and effectively catching passes in he post with this great hands and making a move and scoring every now and then.

Any center will compliment him as long as they are tall and can play defense/block shots and even if its a dominant low post Center who demands the ball every possession like Ewing Sweetney will still be effective doing the little thgins like rebounding and scoring in the paint when our center goes to the bench. Now if we're going to eventually have a KG or Dirk-like PF then I can see Sweetney being a great backup PF off the bench. But I really dont see us getting a franchise star PF when we already have 5 PFs.

Trust me man, if Sweetney can just lose the weight he will be a great Knick for a very long time. In the meantime I want him to play as much minutes as possible so that he ready to start again next year without any foul trouble which you learn to stay out of the more you play. Just look at Kurt, he doesn't even foul anymore. Yes Sweetney is fat but he's deceptively quick and has a great knack for the ball.

If he gets in shape he can do big things and average over 16pts & 10rebs if he stays exacly the same he will average at least what Kurt Thomas is averaging as long as he gets Kurt Thomas minutes. Right now his minutes aren't even close and he's still averaging close 9 & 6!

Most important of all I would take Sweetney's disruptive 11pts & 10rebs in the paint than Kurt Thomas's 11 & 10 from the perimeter through only 3 quarters since he's not effective offensively in the 4th quarter when teams actually play for real which is why we're collapsed so many time the past 4yrs and I rather have a guy who goes after rebounds like Sweetney does as opposed to a guy who waits until the ball falls in his hands.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/26/2005 12:25:49]

Guns: I agree man! Sweets and Reezy should definately get more minutes on this team! Without a doubt.

Posted by Cookdcokehop:

ZEKE PLEASE TRADE KURT THOMAS!!!! he is the reason we lost this game. he sux all he has is that set up jump shot and walt frazier and mike breen make him seem like the best defensive player in the league when he actually isnt. Sweetney will never fullfill his potential till this guy leaves
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Gee - all the coaches think KT's a good defensive player. Frazier thinks he's a good defensive player. Some fans on this board don't think he's a good defensive player. Let's see who do I trust more...

I don't mind Ariza and Sweetney playing about 20 mpg each. That's enough time to develop them and see what they can do. I want TT starting so that he can continue to boost his stats and Isiah can refer to him as a 16/5 post-all-star-break player when making trade offers. I don't mind if Sweetney goes into the offseason thinking, "I have to lose this fat if I ever want to get more than 20 mpg."

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/26/2005 19:16:41]