there's no more time to fool around...if the Knicks lose any ground during this road trip, it's pretty much over for their playoff hopes...they have to come back home no worse off than they are now at the bare minimum...if they want to have serious hopes to make the playoffs, then going 3-1 might be necessary imho...it's going to be a tall order facing SEA & the Lakers on the road during this road trip, but if they can win 1 of those games, i think 3-1 is a very realistic possibility.

It depends on how well Iverson and his 21/11/6 PF can do. It would be truly sad if that combo couldn't even make the playoffs, especially in the east. It also depends on how Kidd and Carter do. It's a long shot for the Knicks. If TT had played like the 16/5 player he was on the Knicks last year, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Oh well.

God, please don't continue that debate about Iverson on here again Bonn...the fact that the Knicks are even in this predicament is sadder than any other team situation & should also reflect on Marbury as well if you want to take that line, so let's not start calling the kettle black, shall we?

as for TT, he's never been a 16/5 player for a full season, so drop that already...i can single out a stretch of games where just about any player in the league worth mentioning has put up respectable #'s...that doesn't make them better in anyone's eyes...consistency of excellence determines a player's quality...TT doesn't have that & never has.

getting back on topic, if the Knicks beat the Sonics or Lakers & i think they have a good shot at coming back 3-1 from this road trip...if they're going to seriously make a move to make the playoffs, this has to happen imho.

Posted by TMS:

God, please don't continue that debate about Iverson on here again Bonn...the fact that the Knicks are even in this predicament is sadder than any other team situation & should also reflect on Marbury as well if you want to take that line, so let's not start calling the kettle black, shall we?

as for TT, he's never been a 16/5 player for a full season, so drop that already...i can single out a stretch of games where just about any player in the league worth mentioning has put up respectable #'s...that doesn't make them better in anyone's eyes...consistency of excellence determines a player's quality...TT doesn't have that & never has.

getting back on topic, if the Knicks beat the Sonics or Lakers & i think they have a good shot at coming back 3-1 from this road trip...if they're going to seriously make a move to make the playoffs, this has to happen imho.

Don't keep replying about Iverson if you don't want to debate him. You replied every time I did in the other thread. Neither of us went more overboard than the other person. I wasn't trying to debate anything about him on this thread anyway.

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Posted by TMS:

God, please don't continue that debate about Iverson on here again Bonn...the fact that the Knicks are even in this predicament is sadder than any other team situation & should also reflect on Marbury as well if you want to take that line, so let's not start calling the kettle black, shall we?

as for TT, he's never been a 16/5 player for a full season, so drop that already...i can single out a stretch of games where just about any player in the league worth mentioning has put up respectable #'s...that doesn't make them better in anyone's eyes...consistency of excellence determines a player's quality...TT doesn't have that & never has.

getting back on topic, if the Knicks beat the Sonics or Lakers & i think they have a good shot at coming back 3-1 from this road trip...if they're going to seriously make a move to make the playoffs, this has to happen imho.

Don't keep replying about Iverson if you don't want to debate him. You replied every time I did in the other thread. Neither of us went more overboard than the other person. I wasn't trying to debate anything about him on this thread anyway.

Bonn, enough already with these kind of posts. Seriously, don't even responsd to this one.

i have a feeling we'll go 2-2 on the trip, not good enough to have made a move and gotten us into position, but not bad enough to dash our chances at the playoffs. we won't be in playoff position, but we'll still be close enough that we won't play ariza-sweetney-butler bigtime. it's seemed at this point for the last few seasons, we've called something "do or die" or whatever, and we don't do either.

go knicks!

I think going 2-2 would be great. Seriously. They have eight road wins all year. Eight. And three of them came at the buzzer. This team needs to win a few on the road to get its confidence back.

2-2 would set them pretty well to make an April run when they play the Nets twice and have six at home and six on the road.

I think the Sixers will make it, but the Pacers and Magic will fade.

Is there a magic number for making and not making the playoffs?

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Posted by Silverfuel:

I think our season was over at the end of January. This recent hot streak is good but I would rather have the draft pick. I dont think making the playoffs is beneficial at all. Almost everyone has given up on Sweetney being the Knicks starting PF of the future so the playoff experience really wont be THAT valuable. Ariza needs to start in the regular season first.

If we make the playoffs, we will play the top seed (ie: Miami) and get swept. I do not see anything good coming out of this. I understand why the team wants to make the playoffs. They want to make the playoffs so the owner can charge $2000 for the seats. Are any fans looking forward to making the playoffs?

problem is this team is not bad enough to finish with a high draft pick so we might as well try to make the playoffs. There's not that much of a difference between picks 10-15.

If they wanted to tank all they had to do was keep Lenny, Nazr, baker, moochie and brewer but with Herb, rose, tsylor they are a better team and guys like butler, ariza and sweetney make you look forward to next year unlike the Knicks team we had before the deadline. Now we're just a few pieces away from being a playoff team. We're a center and a big perimeter defender SG away

I agree. While I'd love to see the Knicks defy the odds and make the playoffs, I'd be happy to see them finish the season playing like a playoff team. I give credit to Herb for this and I hope we sign him to a nice long contract. He knows how to win in this league.

guys like kobe and jermaine oneal were picked 16-17th and like you said Isiah is more likely to pick one of these type of players than a John Wallace or Frederic Weis with such a high pick

Posted by TMS:

thing is a 2-2 result is almost as bad as going 0-4...actually, it's worse imo, since you neither gain ground on the teams above you in the playoff hunt, & you stay above the teams below you for the top lottery pick as well...spinning wheels in the mud is the worst possible scenario...either they need to go 3-1 & have a legitimate shot at making a run in the coming weeks, or they need to lose all 4 games & shoot for the lottery pick.

2-2 is bad if you make assumptions about how the teams ahead of us will do. They're all sub-.500 teams (slightly) and most of them are struggling. Who knows if 2-2 results in neither gaining nor losing ground?