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edsonline
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3/21/2005  3:29 PM
Mentioned this briefly in a different post, but there are a few options for the NYK at backup PG with the MLE - 1. Jeff McCinnis 2. Damon Stoudamire 3. Tyronn Lue 4. Ronald Murray (SG who can play some PG, but will be a RFA - so he's the least likely)
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3/21/2005  3:34 PM
Posted by edsonline:

Mentioned this briefly in a different post, but there are a few options for the NYK at backup PG with the MLE - 1. Jeff McCinnis 2. Damon Stoudamire 3. Tyronn Lue 4. Ronald Murray (SG who can play some PG, but will be a RFA - so he's the least likely)

I know Zeke likes Flip Murray a lot. He's the only one on that list I'd REALLY like since he has some size (6'4"). IF we throw the full MLE at him, maybe Seattle has too much money tied up in Ray Allen and Vlad Rad to match. It's not a horrible idea.

I'd still prefer to chase Stephen Hunter first, but if we draft Petro or Taft or Bogut (the last two are obviously PRAYERS), I'd be willing to sign a guard rather than size with the MLE.
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3/21/2005  3:47 PM
My first choice would be to go after a guy like Swift with the MLE, but assuming that it's not enough, I have no problem trying to sign a guy like Flip. But first things first, get a C before a guard, whether it's by draft or trade, that HAS to be our first move.

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 03/21/2005 15:48:13]
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3/21/2005  3:54 PM


Swift already made it clear he wasn't gonna sign of the mid-level. He's had a wasted year with all the injuries. If his price drops down to the mid-level then you gotta try and sign him.

Still,....I really like Flip Murray. I think it was f'ed up how when Ray Allen came back last season they just chucked him. It wasn't a coincidence the guy was tearing the league up. I would definately try to sign him with the mid-level exemption......the kid was all-star material before Ray came back. Marbs, Flip and Craw would be a high powered back court.
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3/21/2005  4:14 PM
Flip and Craw are the same kind of players. If you are gonna get Flip, you better consider trading Crawf. A better option would be to get a pure shooting guard and move Crawford to the 6th man, or trade either Steph or Crawford for frontcourt players, and sign or draft a shooting guard or a point guard.
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3/21/2005  5:12 PM
Define pure shooting guard....Who are the pure shooting guards? Casey Jacobson? Piakowski? Micheal Read?

I don't get it. Knicks need a more consistant scorer from Crawfords spot. Most of the good shooting guards in this league are combo guards or swing men.
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3/21/2005  5:17 PM
I would go after McInnis....but I am coming very close the conclusion after watrching the last game especially, that we need a rock at the 2 like a Hughes type...and Craw should play the swing position as alot of you guys have stated before.
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3/22/2005  12:31 AM
How about using the second pick in the first round on Nate Robinson, He would be cheap[i.e 3 years 2.75mm] he's tremendous at pushing the ball, he's an excellent defender and can shoot pass and plays with 125% effort. Why spend 4-5mm on a back up when we can get a guy just as good coming into the league at bargain basement prices.


who says we even need to use the MLE?
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3/22/2005  12:34 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

How about using the second pick in the first round on Nate Robinson, He would be cheap[i.e 3 years 2.75mm] he's tremendous at pushing the ball, he's an excellent defender and can shoot pass and plays with 125% effort. Why spend 4-5mm on a back up when we can get a guy just as good coming into the league at bargain basement prices.


who says we even need to use the MLE?

agreed if nate drops that far. i would even take him or garcia whoever is available with the 29th pick
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3/22/2005  2:37 AM
If the Raptors want to get out of Rafer Alston's contract, the Knicks should try to pick him up. The price might be low and despite his shortcomings, he's a good player.
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3/22/2005  9:23 AM
Posted by edsonline:

Mentioned this briefly in a different post, but there are a few options for the NYK at backup PG with the MLE - 1. Jeff McCinnis 2. Damon Stoudamire 3. Tyronn Lue 4. Ronald Murray (SG who can play some PG, but will be a RFA - so he's the least likely)

not interested in any of those players (Flip is nice but we have enough shooters)...we need a defensive minded PG who gives you that spark off the bench...a Lindsey Hunter or Mike James type player...i think you could sign a guy like that for just a portion of the MLE & use the other portion on shoring up the C position on a guy like Gadzuric, who will also give you defense & shotblocking off the bench at high energy...we need those types of players here.

If the Raptors want to get out of Rafer Alston's contract, the Knicks should try to pick him up. The price might be low and despite his shortcomings, he's a good player.

Rafer's a crybaby...i don't want any part of him in a Knicks uniform after the stuff i've been reading about him over in TOR...i know Sam Mitchell's methods are very questionable & may be unprofessional in challenging players to fights, etc, but Alston is not a guy who would ever be happy playing off the bench & getting 5-10 mpg, especially playing in his hometown where all his friends would be watching...forget about him & his contract.
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3/22/2005  9:27 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by edsonline:

Mentioned this briefly in a different post, but there are a few options for the NYK at backup PG with the MLE - 1. Jeff McCinnis 2. Damon Stoudamire 3. Tyronn Lue 4. Ronald Murray (SG who can play some PG, but will be a RFA - so he's the least likely)

not interested in any of those players (Flip is nice but we have enough shooters)...we need a defensive minded PG who gives you that spark off the bench...a Lindsey Hunter or Mike James type player...i think you could sign a guy like that for just a portion of the MLE & use the other portion on shoring up the C position on a guy like Gadzuric, who will also give you defense & shotblocking off the bench at high energy...we need those types of players here.

If the Raptors want to get out of Rafer Alston's contract, the Knicks should try to pick him up. The price might be low and despite his shortcomings, he's a good player.

Rafer's a crybaby...i don't want any part of him in a Knicks uniform after the stuff i've been reading about him over in TOR...i know Sam Mitchell's methods are very questionable & may be unprofessional in challenging players to fights, etc, but Alston is not a guy who would ever be happy playing off the bench & getting 5-10 mpg, especially playing in his hometown where all his friends would be watching...forget about him & his contract.
I was picturing Alston playing the same role as in Miami and getting about 20 mpg (10 backing up Marbury and 10 on the floor with Marbury)
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3/22/2005  9:34 AM
what about Crawford? when does he get minutes? remember we still have Penny on the roster next season too.
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3/22/2005  9:39 AM
I think Crawford does a good job running the point when Marbury needs a rest and having a Jermaine Jackson-type as a third option.

Having a pure SG would be the best way to upgrade the backcourt- someone like a Brent/Jon Barry that can come off the bench and deliver pure shooting, some hustle and defense.

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3/22/2005  9:42 AM
Jon Barry would be a great fit too, i agree...he can shoot from the outside if left open, & he plays good defense...i could easily see him fitting into that role well in limited minutes & not being a malcontent.
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3/22/2005  9:49 AM
Best way to get Flip (Murray) would be to wait for Seattle to use all of their cap space resigning or signing and trading their other free agents. That way they can't match the offer sheet, they won't have an MLE because they went into the offseason under the cap and they can't match by going over the cap cuz Murray was a 2nd rounder, not a 1st rounder. If IT sign and trades for Ray Allen and then uses this strategy to sign Murray with the MLE I will laugh my ass off.
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3/22/2005  9:49 AM
Best way to get Flip (Murray) would be to wait for Seattle to use all of their cap space resigning or signing and trading their other free agents. That way they can't match the offer sheet, they won't have an MLE because they went into the offseason under the cap and they can't match by going over the cap cuz Murray was a 2nd rounder, not a 1st rounder. If IT sign and trades for Ray Allen and then uses this strategy to sign Murray with the MLE I will laugh my ass off.
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3/22/2005  10:24 AM
Posted by TMS:

what about Crawford? when does he get minutes? remember we still have Penny on the roster next season too.
I wouldn't make that assumption about Penny. If 38 mpg are given to Marbury and 20 to Alston, there's still a huge amount left over for Crawford and even a few mpg for Ariza at SG (who could get most of his minutes at SF)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/22/2005 10:24:51]
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3/22/2005  11:18 AM
the problem dealing with any sonic FA is that they are 30mm under the cap. they have a lot of resources to resign their own. im scared of ray allen. ray allen could be the second coming of allan houston on his next contract. hes had knee problems 2 out of 3 years and will be 30. sounds to similar!
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3/22/2005  11:25 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by edsonline:

Mentioned this briefly in a different post, but there are a few options for the NYK at backup PG with the MLE - 1. Jeff McCinnis 2. Damon Stoudamire 3. Tyronn Lue 4. Ronald Murray (SG who can play some PG, but will be a RFA - so he's the least likely)

not interested in any of those players (Flip is nice but we have enough shooters)...we need a defensive minded PG who gives you that spark off the bench...a Lindsey Hunter or Mike James type player...i think you could sign a guy like that for just a portion of the MLE & use the other portion on shoring up the C position on a guy like Gadzuric, who will also give you defense & shotblocking off the bench at high energy...we need those types of players here.

If the Raptors want to get out of Rafer Alston's contract, the Knicks should try to pick him up. The price might be low and despite his shortcomings, he's a good player.

Rafer's a crybaby...i don't want any part of him in a Knicks uniform after the stuff i've been reading about him over in TOR...i know Sam Mitchell's methods are very questionable & may be unprofessional in challenging players to fights, etc, but Alston is not a guy who would ever be happy playing off the bench & getting 5-10 mpg, especially playing in his hometown where all his friends would be watching...forget about him & his contract.

Yeah, I agree about Rafer. Not interested in him either. I agree with you about Lindsey Hunter too, though. A few months ago, I disagreed, but we could use a guy who brings that energy coming off the bench and who can hit some nice clutch shots to go with it. I've always liked the guy. I like Mike James a lot too. However, the Rockets should not give him up. I think he's eventually going to be a starter, and a very good one at that. He's going to overthrow Bobby Sura. Heck, maybe he already did that, with Suras injuries.
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