Hes a full sized SG who has shown some very serious signs of being a big time player. In fact Id be willing to give them 3 picks for JR
Something like


NO get pick 8 28-29 and nexy years SA pick protected to 5

NY gets 6-6 225 SG JR Smith

3 picks (including a likely lottery pick) for a totally unproven player who was taken in the late 1st round last year? are you on crack BRIGGS?

Posted by TMS:

3 picks (including a likely lottery pick) for a totally unproven player who was taken in the late 1st round last year? are you on crack BRIGGS?

Well, I wouldnt start the bidding at 3, but Im thinking I would go there

JR is a full-sized SG who has the athletiscm and body to be a star in this league. I think by watching him, and here is a glimpse of his game log--you can see that @ only 19, this guy is going to be a player. Not unproven, unproven players havent put up 20+ pts in the nBA multiple times.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3835/gamelog

i don't doubt he's got potential, but so do alot of guys that can be had in this year's draft...to give up the lottery pick along w/the other 2 late 1st rounders, i'd have to be assured of getting a guaranteed stud player in his prime or about to enter it...JR Smith still has a long way to go

Posted by TMS:

Posted by VDesai:

I don't know that JR Smith is totally unproven, I mean he is playing and averaging 8 ppg this year. He has explosive athletic ability and is the makings of a good shooter...I think he can be a star, but giving up 3 picks for him now would not be a good idea.

he's playing on an NBDL team...Ariza would easily average that if he were on that team.

Ariza actually averaged 11/4 as a starter this year. He's also taller and longer than Smith.

Posted by VDesai:

I don't know that JR Smith is totally unproven, I mean he is playing and averaging 8 ppg this year. He has explosive athletic ability and is the makings of a good shooter...I think he can be a star, but giving up 3 picks for him now would not be a good idea.

Its like snagging Jermaine Oneal as a SG of of another roster for draft picks. Im not talking about giving up a draft pick for a 27 player with injury problems, Im talking about a full-sized SG with a huge skill set and superior NBA athletiscm. You dont find to many 2g who weigh 225 @ 19! and thats not fat!

yes and no. I love JR (he's a JERSEY guy )
yes I would give up this year's lottery pick (assuming its not in the top 3).

A couple problems. We have to get a 3rd team invloved. If we had Moochie or Vin we could have used one of them for JR + Claxton or some other contract like Lynch. Now we cant unless you want to trade Ariza. So once again the Mo Taylor trade is an issue.

Anyway I would look to do something like this:
Ny trades 2005 lottery pick and 2006 #1 (lottery protected) to NO for JR Smith and NO's 2005 second rounder.

I think the #31 pick this year will be worth MUCH more than the 15-20 next year.

If needed I would include the Spurs pick next year or both so long as I get that #31 back. I think that will have a lot of value.

If I came away with JR Smith and some prospect I get at #31 I would consider this offseason a big success

Posted by TMS:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by TMS:

i don't doubt he's got potential, but so do alot of guys that can be had in this year's draft...to give up the lottery pick along w/the other 2 late 1st rounders, i'd have to be assured of getting a guaranteed stud player in his prime or about to enter it...JR Smith still has a long way to go

the whole premise of them even considering trading JR for what I said[and if i was NO, i would turn us down]would be on the basis that I cleared out cap room, and really the main guys who I have the ability to get, are SGs--Ray Allen, Mike Redd
now if I can have an additional lottery pick, I can walk out with lets say Rudy Gay, Ray Felton and Louis Williams out of the draft and sign Rahim and Ray Allen

I would have a pretty exciting team that should be able to compete for an 8th seed or better.



And let me say this, Im bringing up different scenarios other than drafting players. I guess I am thinking about the ONLy kinds of scenarios I would do a deal like that.

I still want us to have a Andrew Bogut, Nick Fazekas draft:>) although that may not go down well in the Bronx!

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Briggs what do you know about CJ Miles?? He is compared to Ray Allen in nbadraft.net. Kind of looks like him to. 6'6 210 out of highschool. considerd a pure shooter.

The only pro guard that I see is Martell Webster, as in PURE 2G. that kid CJ Miles got his arse handed to him by a kid Uconn is recruiting in New Rochelle. He was muscled all over the place. I don't think he is overly athletic.

Posted by crzymdups:

I don't think SG is a huge need. Ariza has shown the ability to play defense against SGs (see Kobe Bryant) and his outside shot is improving where he can legitmately get some time there.

I think we need to look at getting shot blocking in this draft. Hakim Warrick has all the athleticism of the Smiths and blocks shots. Channing Frye. Danny Grange. We need length and shot blocking. The only way I trade this pick is for one of the tall baby bulls or Wilcox.

Of course, we could address this by going out and giving Stephen Hunter the MLE, but what are the chances of that?

Id be willing to give Stephen Hunter part of an MLE--i.e 3 years 10mm, but thats it. Hes a solid 15-20 minute player and still has a lot of upside. Hes worth that price. Look how Joel Pryzbilla just broke out. I would definitely take Hunter at a reasonable cost$, but not for 6 years and 40mm! Then we could use Hunter as a back up C to KT--a guy who brings different things including shot blocking. and hes till young!

Posted by crzymdups:

They're talking about lowering the MLE contract length to like 4 years, making a max MLE about 4 years $20 million. I'd give Hunter that or maybe 4 years, $15 million. He's huge, athletic and young. The thing I like the best is his ability to alter shots.

Isn't the MLE calculated as the average player salary? Salaries have gone up. Shouldn't the MLE go up too? I don't think it's ever gone down since it began.