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djsunyc
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3/1/2005  10:58 PM
penny + sweets + 2005 spurs #1 for boozer? is that enough? and is he the player we should be targeting (w/ rose, mo, jyd still here)with that expiring deal b/c isiah IS going to use it...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 03/01/2005 23:03:32]
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3/1/2005  11:30 PM
He's one player we should definitely be targetting, but we'd probably have to give up more than you listed. If our lottery pick is in the 9 to 12 range, I think he's one of many players you try to get by giving up the lottery pick, Sweetney, and expiring contracts. I've been debating whether I'd prefer to go after Boozer or Zach Randolph. I think Zach's more talented and has more upside, but Boozer is more dependable, plays harder on defense, and has a better attitude (especially off the court). I think Marbury would really elevate their games. Neither of them has ever played a guard with Marbury's playmaking abilities. (Lebron was just a rookie getting 5.9 APG last year.)
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3/1/2005  11:32 PM
i really like Boozer's game but I don't think trading Sweets for him is worth it. Sweets is a pure back to the basket player, and those a rare to find in the NBA these days. With a post player, you can do inside-outside offense to death and get fouls.
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3/1/2005  11:33 PM
you are crazy my friend boozer does not play defense. we have a PF we have otherglaring needs like a C
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3/1/2005  11:39 PM
Posted by martin:

i really like Boozer's game but I don't think trading Sweets for him is worth it. Sweets is a pure back to the basket player, and those a rare to find in the NBA these days. With a post player, you can do inside-outside offense to death and get fouls.
At this point Boozer is more effective in the low post than Sweetney and is obviously much quicker on defense. Boozer's able to put up close to 20/10 without a decent PG to set up plays for him. If Sweetney could lose 25 pounds, he might be as effective as Boozer or even more effective than Boozer. But for two years we've been saying that he needs to lose weight and he's made no progress
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3/1/2005  11:40 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

you are crazy my friend boozer does not play defense. we have a PF we have otherglaring needs like a C
Boozer plays solid defense; he just doesn't block many shots. I never said we need to ignore the needs at C. That's a different topic.
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3/1/2005  11:43 PM
well i heard the jazz are not happy about his defense.
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3/1/2005  11:46 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

well i heard the jazz are not happy about his defense.
The Jazz are idiots. They can't afford to pay Boozer what he's being paid and they need to get rid of him just one season after getting him. For a team very concerned about payroll, he's probably not worth the contract he got.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/01/2005 23:49:26]
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3/1/2005  11:50 PM
there's a much cheaper boozer in the draft.(simien) but the last thing we need is another pf, unless he's a shotblocker.
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3/1/2005  11:57 PM
I want no part of Boozer. Not only is he yet another PF, he isn't a franchise player, he's owed a ton of money and most importantly he doesn't solve our athletic shotblocker/defender C problem.
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3/2/2005  12:16 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by martin:

i really like Boozer's game but I don't think trading Sweets for him is worth it. Sweets is a pure back to the basket player, and those a rare to find in the NBA these days. With a post player, you can do inside-outside offense to death and get fouls.
At this point Boozer is more effective in the low post than Sweetney and is obviously much quicker on defense. Boozer's able to put up close to 20/10 without a decent PG to set up plays for him. If Sweetney could lose 25 pounds, he might be as effective as Boozer or even more effective than Boozer. But for two years we've been saying that he needs to lose weight and he's made no progress

Dude is only in the second year of his rookie conctract. You keep him for the potential - kinda like Portland not giving up on Jermaine - and see what happens. The Knicks already have Rose, KT, JYD, MT.
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3/2/2005  12:17 AM
Before the trade deadline, Boozer would have been a good asset, but right now, we don't need him with all the power fowards we have. Right now, we have to be working on the backup backcourt positions and we need a center, and decide if Ariza is our starting small foward of the future, or if we need to find our starting 3 of the future somewhere else. Boozer is nice, but he's not gonna make this team much better if you replace him with Sweetney.
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3/2/2005  12:39 AM
we have 90 PF's, it's absolutley ludicrous to think we need another one. is there a thing that we have to trade picks, young players ending contracts just to do so? things change when we got mo taylor and malik to go along with Sweetney, we now have no need for any 4 unless his name is Duncan or Garnet. Sweetney and taylor combined will score more points than Boozer in 48 minutes by far. since boozer is a weak defender, we have 0 need for him or zach randolph anymore.

Do people pay attention? we just traded for

A 10mm $ post up scoring 4
B a 7mm dollar defensive 3-4
C we already have a young up and coming 4 with little cost
D JYD and KT are really 4s

so unless we get a 7 footer, why do we need a 4?

are we saying that we bought Taylor just to look at him?
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3/2/2005  12:46 AM
for sure, we dont need anymore pfs...how about a 7 footer. jazz with boozer may be not be needed with ak47 and memo. and how needed is kmart
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3/2/2005  1:03 AM
We have too many needs to give up that much for Boozer.
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3/2/2005  6:30 AM
Posted by martin:

Sweets is a pure back to the basket player, and those a rare to find in the NBA these days.
good point
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3/2/2005  7:18 AM
Why would you want to trade for Boozer? He's led the Jazz to a worse record than the Knicks.

Seriously, though, what does he really offer? Boozer has role-player written all over him. His defense is VERY overrated. Sloan complains about his defense and for good reason. In Cleveland, some of Boozer's flaws were masked by playing next to Zydrunas Ilgauskas. He gets a similar luxury when playing next to Kirilenko, who is a defensive monster. When those guys are out of the lineup, Boozer is truly exposed.

In all honesty, IMHO, Boozer has already peaked. He's a guy who puts up 18 and 8.5 on a team with no scorers. If the Jazz had more quality players who could score, Boozer would put up more like 14 and 9. Sweetney is still progressing. Sweetney could easily put up 16 and 9 next year alone if he maintains a starting role and be MUCH more of a force on offense. Sweetney's ceiling is yet to be determined. Boozer is already at his.
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3/2/2005  7:22 AM
Posted by Solace:

Why would you want to trade for Boozer? He's led the Jazz to a worse record than the Knicks.

Seriously, though, what does he really offer? Boozer has role-player written all over him. His defense is VERY overrated. Sloan complains about his defense and for good reason. In Cleveland, some of Boozer's flaws were masked by playing next to Zydrunas Ilgauskas. He gets a similar luxury when playing next to Kirilenko, who is a defensive monster. When those guys are out of the lineup, Boozer is truly exposed.

In all honesty, IMHO, Boozer has already peaked. He's a guy who puts up 18 and 8.5 on a team with no scorers. If the Jazz had more quality players who could score, Boozer would put up more like 14 and 9. Sweetney is still progressing. Sweetney could easily put up 16 and 9 next year alone if he maintains a starting role and be MUCH more of a force on offense. Sweetney's ceiling is yet to be determined. Boozer is already at his.

good post. i agree. dont see boozer getting any better.
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3/2/2005  9:32 AM
Absoultley agree about not getting Boozer.

I always fealt he was overrated. Was suprised when he got that much money from Utah.

I also heard he does not play defense, that's why Sloan is goggin himand wanted to trade him for practically nothing.

Also, we do have a billion PF's, we can't waste our assets getting yet another one. And one w/out real post game or shotblocking btw.

All he is a rebounder who gets his points on dunks, and ocasional jumpers, do we really need that?

Sweetney and even the horrible Mo Taylo raddress more immediate needs then Boozer.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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3/2/2005  9:54 AM
I liked him but we have ZERO need and his D sucks. I watched him away from the ball a lot when I was at the Utah game and he's too average.

PF has obviously been a big issue but with Herb starting MS and rotating in guys that give you great hustle and have good size we are fine there.

We should be looking at a good center prospect and at replacing TT and Penny in this draft. I really like Joey Graham at SF a lot. I would also look at a deal where we send TT + cash + the Spurs picks to GS for Foyal and Pietrus. Foyal is a great guy, and a good shot blocker. Not skilled but a BIG body that clogs the middle and can alter shots. Pietrus is a chisled G/F that is a GREAT defender, decent scorer and superior athlete on this level.

Then you go into next year with a balanced roster with no holes and great depth.
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