KT for Spoon and a #1 pick. Spoon expires after next year.

Posted by Andrew:

...and Spoon could help Sweetney by eating up all the food before Sweets gets to the table.

Ahhhhhhh!

Posted by Andrew:

KT for Spoon and a #1 pick. Spoon expires after next year.

Houston does not have the ability to trade their pick because they dealt their 2004 one away.

I think if Tor is serious about building around Bosh we have a very good chance of getting their #1 this offseason. The might squeek into the playoffs. If they dont their pick will be 10-13. If you offer then TT and $3mm for Rose and their #1 it gives them max cap space at the end of the year allowing them to sign or trade for a max level player before Bosh is due for an extension. It also saves them about $18mm in costs. I think thats pretty realistic for both teams. If not this offseason then next years deadline (and their 06 #1) is also an option.

Opportunities like that are why I dont want to use TT/Penny and take back huge salaries of over the hill type players this offseason.

If we get nothing done with them next year let their $30mm just walk off into the sunset

Wait...Briggs. I think the rule is you can't trade 2 future picks in consecutive years.

Does that include draft day trades? A loop hole would be a hand shake deal and pick player the other team wants then send to them afterwards.

damn, my man andrew did some research.

you see andrew, that's why i kept telling you to get that G.E.D. :)

that's good to read. as for the spoon and a #1 for kurt. i proposed that a few weeks ago, and i LOVE that trade. yes, spoon is 1/2 the player kurt is, but we are still getting that #1, opening the spot for sweetney AND spoon is expiring next season. so instead of $40 expiring, we now have $46. which means, we don't have to trade nazr in some sort of money deal, we have spoon to move instead.

Posted by Andrew:

fish...thats not correct.

In addition, teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is called the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. The trades, as columnist Chris Young put it, "amounted to giving up Manhattan for a bag of beads." As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a future first-round draft pick in consecutive years.

This rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 99-00 season, then teams can trade their 2000 first round pick without regard to whether they had a 1999 pick, since their 1999 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2000 and 2001 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

In addition, teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their first round pick. So teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#70

Like Fish was saying, you can't trade consecutive future draft picks, but you can trade the player you draft with that pick. So, the Knicks cannot offer a team their 2005 draft pick now, but they can draft a player and trade that player on or after drafter night.

Posted by TMS:

KT & HOU's 2nd rounder for Mo Taylor & HOU's 1st rounder?

say no to Juwan Howard...we don't need that contract on our books.

That was the first thing that I thought of to after readinf about this...look at the contracts...Howard's isn't horrible based on production but it is garauntees through 07 then there is a PLayer Option in 08....KT for Juwan str8 is a bad trade...what kind of packages can Houston be offering?

The contracts are basically a wash (KT actually makes a tad more)but KT is almost a double double guy...Juwan isn't even a single double guy!

Although....Here is an interesting connection....The Rockets right now have the 21 pick.....Zeke went to Europe and reportedly looked hard at Johan Petro...Our own pick is around #9...Petro was predicted to go around 20....

just a thought

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02/11/2005 12:29:21]