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diderotn
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2/2/2005  6:38 AM
I can't understand you fans. This Knicks team is really not build to win right now. I and a lot of you were foolish enough to believe that we would have at least compete, but we were wrong folks....Personally, I am going to blame Marb for what is happening with our team, I will blame everyone.

I will blame Isiah for failing to realize that our frontline shouldn't have been taking lightly. The guys that we have are not good enough...We have been losing with Kurt forever, and allowing him to remain as our PF was a catastrofic mistake....Nazr, he is not a center. He is a PF at best.

Has the time come for a lineup change???? it is overdue...The frontline should be demolished and reconstructed. For what it's worth, throw Sundov in there as our starting Center with Sweetney at PF. What do we have to lose? not much. Kurt and Nazr are not getting the job done, changes have to be made....What is the use of threatning guys for not playing with energy on the court? Zero, Lenny tried it and it didn't work...Herb needs to adopt the same theory that the Raptors has used...take action...For now, I would keep the back court as is and experiment with the frontline...

Marb shouldn't be blamed for what is going on....We have too many chiefs and not enough Indians....How can he lead when Kurt thinks that he is the Captain of that team....I have said this all season long, "to be effective as a leader, you have to be able to command respect". However, if you have guys around who are not willing to show that respect, you have to get rid of them....Kurt has to go. I will blame Isiah for failing to trade Kurt when he had the chance....Rose or whomever would have been a much better fit, because they would have been new comers and it is much easier to lead new comers than veterans.

[Edited by - diderotn on 02/02/2005 06:42:42]
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2/2/2005  6:46 AM
You can't single-handedly carry a team to an above .500 record. Marbury should get no more/no less blame than Iverson or McGrady or Pierce got last year or Brand gets every year. These players can't single-handedly carry a team but are all still worth max contracts because of the impact they can have if a decent supporting cast surronds them.
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2/2/2005  6:52 AM
For what it is worth, Isiah needs to make the best decision of all by getting rid of Kurt Thomas...he is a destraction for the ball club, and it just doesn't make any sense to me that he is still a KNicks...A guy like Kurt needs to play with a beast like KG or Shaq to quiet his none basketball ass down.....He and Anderson were not receptive to Isiah when he took over last season, that enough should have earned both of them a ticket out of town....Marb is playing like **** now because he wants to get rid of a couple of players.....If the organization is to dumb to realize that, it is their fault....I can almost assure you all that if Kurt is move to either the bench or out of town and start Sweetney at the 4 spot, this Knicks team will produce...

[Edited by - diderotn on 02/02/2005 06:53:45]
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2/2/2005  8:44 AM
Give me a break.

How simple, start Sweetney and all are problems are solved! Nevermind the fact that he's too slow and short for effective defense amd because of that gets into foul trouble even quicker than Thomas does. I think he's great, and has a lot of potential, but come on.

Yeah, that's right, Kurt Thomas is our problem. Terrible attitude. Too damn consistant. Guys that come in and average close to a double double night in night out for years are unacceptable. A solid defensive effort each night, which usually means very good defense - very overrated.

DAMN YOU KURT THOMAS! You've been holding us back for years!
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2/2/2005  8:58 AM
YOu are sick....Kurt is not a good fit for this team....If he was, why is it that our team has been so bad????, I am not just talking about this year, just look at the team overall result since his arrival....when Ewing was around, there was a need for him, but Ewing is no longer here, he is no longer needed.....

Posted by mythfaze:

Give me a break.

How simple, start Sweetney and all are problems are solved! Nevermind the fact that he's too slow and short for effective defense amd because of that gets into foul trouble even quicker than Thomas does. I think he's great, and has a lot of potential, but come on.

Yeah, that's right, Kurt Thomas is our problem. Terrible attitude. Too damn consistant. Guys that come in and average close to a double double night in night out for years are unacceptable. A solid defensive effort each night, which usually means very good defense - very overrated.

DAMN YOU KURT THOMAS! You've been holding us back for years!
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2/2/2005  9:15 AM
Okay, good point. How about some evidence to back up the claim? Last I checked Kurt was here when we were a strong team, Kurt was here for the '99 finals run, Kurt is consistant, works hard, and has a good attitude.

Yes, we need a front court upgrade like whoa. Yes, I would gladly trade him for an upgrade up front.

But are you seriously saying that the team has been bad because of Kurt? Kurt is the root of all of our problems?

I don't think I have anything to say. That's almost as stupid as saying Marbury is purposely playing poorly until trades are made to make Mr. Best Point Guard in the League satisfied.
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2/2/2005  9:23 AM
Marbs cannot handle the pressure and becomes a diva under stress.

His attitude of self pity and obsolving himself of blame is bad for the team.

Kurt is not the problem of this team. At the same time he is not the answer either!

We have a collection of low charactor guys whom are over paid, and/or are hurt.

You can't stop it at once. no quick trade can fix it without prolonging more of it.

DIdo, you nor I are NOT smarter than the people running and coaching the team. Be a fan, have fun, but don't overestimate yourself.
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2/2/2005  9:30 AM
HOw am I overestimating myself??? I just called it as I see it...Garnett is a great player, but regardless of how great he is, he still couldn't drive the Wolves to where they needed to be...However, once they traded for Spree and Cassell look at how far they went....You could be a great player all you want, untill you have pieces around to help you out, forget about it....Ricky Davis is not that bad of a player, he produced beautifully when he was in Cleveland, but they felt a need to let him go because he didn't fit with Bron. The same needs to be done with Kurt and others....This is supposed to be a new team, keeping residue of Kurt and Houston will do nothing but further damage our chances at moving forward...I can understand that Houston is hard to move, but Kurt isn't...
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2/2/2005  9:33 AM
You ohnestly think that people who run bball are smart?????

When half of them are former players?

Cmon man, what do they know about real life, they get it all handed to them on a sliver platter, since like gradeschool. They get paid to freakin play basketball or run it.

All these guys who were players, and now think they can coach and gm, so many of them look like total jokes. Cause guess what, they arent that bright. When you coach takes your tests for you in college, and nobody even gives a damn about what you do in highschool, you don't exactly develop mentally.
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2/2/2005  9:53 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You can't single-handedly carry a team to an above .500 record. Marbury should get no more/no less blame than Iverson or McGrady or Pierce got last year or Brand gets every year. These players can't single-handedly carry a team but are all still worth max contracts because of the impact they can have if a decent supporting cast surronds them.

wait a second...weren't you on another thread debating w/me that Iverson can't be considered a franchise player because he can't carry his team to an above .500 record on his own where i asked u what you defined as a franchise player?...do you feel that Shaq, Duncan or KG can singlehandedly carry their respective teams to above .500 records w/o any good supporting talent around them?

[Edited by - TMS on 02/02/2005 09:55:00]
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2/2/2005  9:54 AM
Posted by simrud:

You ohnestly think that people who run bball are smart?????

They might not be smart, but they're experienced in the business of basketball - which unless I'm seriously mistaken... you are not.

The smartest people in the world can't just be plugged into any job and succeed. I rather have someone with proven basketball smarts running an organization than a brilliant neurosurgeon. One may never have passed a test in his life, the other may have avereged a 4.0 - I'll take the one that won NBA championships over the one that was his class valedictorian.

Now if you can get someone who is smart and has bball experience, you take him in a heartbeat. Believe it or not, I think Isiah is about as close as you get to that.

P.S: I'm not very happy with the team he's assembled, but I'm willing to be patient. It's not like he's traded away all of our picks. Contracts will expire, the core is young - this season may be tough, but we're no longer doomed. I will say though, I overestimated his ability to turn us around. It's gonna take longer than I thought it would, but it'll happen.

[Edited by - eViL on 02/02/2005 09:55:54]
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2/2/2005  9:56 AM
diderotn... you have been saying the team IS built to win right now... that the problem is TT isnt playing PF, or Lenny's subsitution patterns, or KT needs to be traded (but keep Nazr because he's our Ben Wallace), or start JYD.

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2/2/2005  10:00 AM
Posted by diderotn:

I will blame Isiah for failing to realize that our frontline shouldn't have been taking lightly. The guys that we have are not good enough...We have been losing with Kurt forever, and allowing him to remain as our PF was a catastrofic mistake....Nazr, he is not a center. He is a PF at best.

Are you saying he didn't try to upgrade our front line? (dampier?)
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Posted by diderotn:

HOw am I overestimating myself??? I just called it as I see it...Garnett is a great player, but regardless of how great he is, he still couldn't drive the Wolves to where they needed to be...However, once they traded for Spree and Cassell look at how far they went....You could be a great player all you want, untill you have pieces around to help you out, forget about it....Ricky Davis is not that bad of a player, he produced beautifully when he was in Cleveland, but they felt a need to let him go because he didn't fit with Bron. The same needs to be done with Kurt and others....This is supposed to be a new team, keeping residue of Kurt and Houston will do nothing but further damage our chances at moving forward...I can understand that Houston is hard to move, but Kurt isn't...

How well are minnesota doing this year?
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2/2/2005  10:06 AM
Funny how in a thread that asks "Why is Marb getting all of the blames?????????????", Dildo is putting all the blame on KT.

Meanwhile, I don't think Marbs deserves all the blame, but as the centerpiece of the team - he will get questioned more often than his support players. People need to understand that.

Despite the team around him and all the size we lack up front - I still think Marbury should shoulder most of the responsibility. He's a leader - he should lead. Play some 'D' maybe. Respect your opponent. Hustle all game.

I'm sick of seeing the Dan Dickau's and the Marco Jaric's of the world beat us because he doesn't respect them. There was once a player (whom many considered to be the greatest) who would defend his man fiercely whether it was Clyde Drexler or Craig Ehlo.
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2/2/2005  10:35 AM
To answer your quesion, goto the nets roster, and see exactly what the nets were doing prior to kidds return and vinces arrival. Then take a hard look at their roster.
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2/2/2005  11:02 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

You can't single-handedly carry a team to an above .500 record. Marbury should get no more/no less blame than Iverson or McGrady or Pierce got last year or Brand gets every year. These players can't single-handedly carry a team but are all still worth max contracts because of the impact they can have if a decent supporting cast surronds them.

wait a second...weren't you on another thread debating w/me that Iverson can't be considered a franchise player because he can't carry his team to an above .500 record on his own where i asked u what you defined as a franchise player?...do you feel that Shaq, Duncan or KG can singlehandedly carry their respective teams to above .500 records w/o any good supporting talent around them?

[Edited by - TMS on 02/02/2005 09:55:00]
I think Shaq, Duncan, or Garnett could lead the current Knick team to a .500 record, yes. That would mean a difference of four additional wins out of the 44 games played so far.
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2/2/2005  11:24 AM
Bonn, where have you been? 4 games? We are about 8 or 9 games under .500 right now. As Greg Anthony said, we are probably THE WORST team in the NBA RIGHT NOW. It can all change if they guys get there acts back together, but right now, the Knicks are playing like complete losers. And this IS including Marbury as well as Isiah for taking a trip to Europe while HIS team is plummeting.
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2/2/2005  11:26 AM
And if we were to have Shaq, KG or Duncan, we would probably not only be at .500, but we would INSTANTLY be championship calibre.
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2/2/2005  11:29 AM
That makes sense. Miami was barely a .500 team last year. They gave up three of their four best players for Shaq and now they're 33-14.

I'm sure someone like Shaq would be a difference in a little more than four games.
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