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playa2
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Who coached worst Lenny Or Chaney, plz explain remember Chaney didn't have the best pg in the NBA , instead he had Frank Williams
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playa2
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1/19/2005  9:29 PM
Hard to choose isn't it.
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1/19/2005  9:33 PM
I chose Wilkens......why...?

Chaney had Othella, Weatherspoon, Ward, Doleac....
Wilkins has Marbury, Craw, TT, Nazr....who would you rather have? need I say more?

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1/19/2005  9:34 PM
Posted by joec32033:

I chose Wilkens......why...?

Chaney had Othella, Weatherspoon, Ward, Doleac....
Wilkins has Marbury, Craw, TT, Nazr....who would you rather have? need I say more?

I picked Chaney but I guess I just hated on the man - I see your point and it is valid. Lenny should be doing better then he is.
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1/19/2005  9:41 PM
Wilkens by far. I though Chaney should have been considered coah of the year at one point when best player was Houston a few years ago. Wilkens has an all-star and 2 or 3 great options and we're still 4 games under .500 This is a disgrace
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1/19/2005  9:43 PM
I don't even think it's close. It's obviously Lenny. He has far more talent to work with, with the same results. (or lack of)
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1/19/2005  9:50 PM
i was gonna say chaney but it's really close. problably a tie. Chaney might've actually got more out of his team

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1/19/2005  9:52 PM
Somebody said it best....Lenny has a lot of talents to play with, Chaney didn't....Fire Lenny and use Agwire as interim coach...You never know, he may just be our Frank of N.J
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1/19/2005  9:57 PM
malone would be a better comparison because like Frank he never played. I just don't want to lose aguirre when we have to fire him for a big name guy. I really like what he did with nazr and sweetney's offense
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1/19/2005  10:35 PM
I saw the title, I saw the author...I expected to see the name Van Gundy atleast once.
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1/19/2005  11:49 PM
Posted by matt:

Wilkens by far. I though Chaney should have been considered coah of the year at one point when best player was Houston a few years ago. Wilkens has an all-star and 2 or 3 great options and we're still 4 games under .500 This is a disgrace
Who are the 2 or 3 great options??
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1/19/2005  11:54 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by matt:

Wilkens by far. I though Chaney should have been considered coah of the year at one point when best player was Houston a few years ago. Wilkens has an all-star and 2 or 3 great options and we're still 4 games under .500 This is a disgrace
Who are the 2 or 3 great options??

not great but you cant deny that this team has a lo more talent then a Houston and KVH team and eisely,spoon yadda yadda yadda
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1/20/2005  1:30 AM
Lenny by far, I mean cmon, Chaney had nothing.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/20/2005  3:13 AM
who is the worst ?

shandon or eisley ?
spoon or sundov...

comon, that's an atrocious choice that you offer here...

I'd go with wilkens though. true, chaney had a very poor team to work with.
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1/20/2005  6:32 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by matt:

Wilkens by far. I though Chaney should have been considered coah of the year at one point when best player was Houston a few years ago. Wilkens has an all-star and 2 or 3 great options and we're still 4 games under .500 This is a disgrace
Who are the 2 or 3 great options??

Crawford, Houston, TT, and the bench.
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1/20/2005  8:23 AM
Sometimes I still wish we had Chaney. Chaney was a class act who worked hard to make his team better. He was just in a bad situation with Layden running the team. He took over when JVG quit and then had to deal with a team that was so poorly constructed.

I hope to see Chaney back in the league next season. He's a good guy.
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1/20/2005  9:44 AM
they both suck imho...we need someone these players will fear...that's the only way i can see for them to start playing w/the type of effort we're all hoping to see...Chaney & Lenny were way too soft on these guys imho.
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1/20/2005  10:19 AM
Lenny does have more talent- and that is the one problem I think he has is finding out what kind of rotation/substitution works.

But, I think Crawford said this- Lenny's forgotten more than some coaches ever knew.

Chaney- a nice guy, but he was living off the celtic mysitique. Where is he now? The man has one of the worse winning percentages of anyone who has coached in the NBA.

Lenny has made this at times a more offensively capable team- its a still simmering caulderon of personalities and skills- let the man finish cooking!
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1/20/2005  11:37 AM
Posted by franco12:

Lenny does have more talent- and that is the one problem I think he has is finding out what kind of rotation/substitution works.

But, I think Crawford said this- Lenny's forgotten more than some coaches ever knew.

Chaney- a nice guy, but he was living off the celtic mysitique. Where is he now? The man has one of the worse winning percentages of anyone who has coached in the NBA.

Lenny has made this at times a more offensively capable team- its a still simmering caulderon of personalities and skills- let the man finish cooking!

Lenny has certainly forgotten a lot of things, mainly...how to coach!

If Isiah wants to tank, he needs to keep hold of Lenny. Lenny's soft style and willingness to look away when his team launches bad shot after bad shot and fails to play defense, guarantees that the team will consistently come out flat and unready to play. That will result in a nice draft pick.

Chaney's teams were terrible, but it never seemed to be because of a lack of effort.

Of the two, I trust Lenny would get us a higher pick in the draft.
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1/20/2005  12:45 PM
All I remembered chaney asked for was a chance to have a top pg.

His other past coaching experiences were teams going in to transition.

He was actually asked by Houton Rockets owner what he needed in players to win WITH HAKEEM and he told him and eventually got fired and that upcoming season Houston won back to back titles. Later the Rockets owner said he shouldn't have fired Chaney.


In Detroit he was in transition with old crewl eavingt Zeke Vinny JOHNSON etc and Allan Houston and crew coming in.


Funny how most postas voted Wilken was the worst coach, but Chaney never got a chance to coach Zeke's new players.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01/20/2005 12:52:44]
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1/20/2005  1:11 PM
I don't think either coach was great or terrible. To be great - they would have done more with the mediocre talent they have had. To be judged as terrible they would have to have talent and ruin it.

This teams talent is at BEST average and I believe below average. Marbury in my mind is not a proven superstar. You have to prove you can win. I concede maybe he's never had the talent around him to PROVE it but that still leaves him unproven in my eyes. Maybe he is a superstar whose never had any luck or maybe he's just not a superstar. He's played as well under Wilkens as he has anywhere else.

Crawford is an above average talent but an average starter at best. He plays offense out of control and defense without effort. He has played as well under Wilkens as he has under anyone else.


TT - is just terrible. He has played worse this year then even his putrid past - but not much. If you compare his stats this year to his career averages outside of shooting percentage he's doing what he always does - NOTHING.

KT - Is a below average talent that I think maximizes his talent. But he's less effective on this team then he could be. He can play good team defense but on this team that doesn't help. His skills on offense are a jump shot and the sense not to try to do too much - but this teams offense is so erratic that doesn't matter much either. He was more effective under Van Gundy - though his stats are better now.

NAZ - Having a good year for HIM. Has played as well under Wilkens as anyone else.

BENCH:

AZIZ - Lots of potential. Hopefully Wilkens is overlooking something and this guy is ready to be a great contributer now - but I can't be sure that's true.

Sweeney - Some potential but I thing vastly over-rated by most posters.

Houston - If he ever gets healthy could help but I don't see what the coach can do about that.

JYD - Another player I think people over-rate because they haven't seen enough of him to start bashing him. He's a nice hustle player no more.

Penny Moochie etc. - Nothing special here.

So working with a below average talent - Wilkens has them playing below average. More below average then they should be? Maybe, but maybe not.


So while I would give either of these guys an "A". As I see it - it would take a Hell of a coach to make this team a winner.
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