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BRIGGS
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1/15/2005  8:31 PM
a mosh-posh mess put together inchorently.


we have spent all of this money, 105mm$ and we still dont have a guy we can throw the ball into the post to.

What good are you supposed to say? I beg this team to rebuild, Ill wait 2 or 3 years--we can stay competitive and maybe pull something like a Seattle--maybe likely not:<( but possibly:>) in the meantime, go get me some big young athletic skill players who plays both sides of the ball and can get up+ down the court.

The Knicks are going to have to come to grips that Allan is 33 years old and his knees are gimp. We shouldnt have spent the money on Baker when we had a need for a back up PG who could slide to 2.


This team needs rebuilding--adding an old vet by trading an old max vet isnt going to doa naything


Honestly, this team had 10* more potential for success IF Mcdyess knee didnt explode and while getting Marbury as the next major move was fine[and expensive] THE NEXT move had to be for a BIG MAN--what ever it takes.


Ill say tghis again, I think we should go out of our way to try to get kwame Brown Sweetney Nazr take back salary--we need a young post player to start this off with

then we need to acquire a second pick in the draft and come out of it with Wayne Simien and Joey Graham> Ill endure losing if I know there is atleast the hope for a rainbow at the end of the view.
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1/15/2005  8:44 PM
... you're short sightedness is beyond belief. If you don't know the difference in this franchise between then and now, you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Edited by - Pike on 01/15/2005 20:45:14]
djsunyc
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1/15/2005  8:50 PM
obviously you're opinion of sweetney's low post game is very low. i disagree with you. i think we have a person to throw the ball into the post. we have yet to go that route and try to establish him. AND we have a SF and a PG and a SG.

but yes, what we lack are big young athletic skill players and young contributing bench players.

i also agree that kwame brown should be our #1 offseason target. but i don't think we should give up sweetney. you look at him and you see and undersized PF with decent skills. i see a possible dominating post presence. it's all a matter of perception.

we need to get lucky on a deal or draft. we got lucky with ariza. now we need to get lucky in moving nazr or kurt. nazr + #1 + moochie should be enough to get kwame. but even if we don't get kwame, if we split the MLE for hunter and gadzuric (who i really like), THEN use tim + penny's expiring deal to get a big man during the year next year, that's fine also. i would love to have all the chips right now but we have to wait.

we are a mosh-posh mess. we have a huge payroll but you keep begging for a rebuild. we are dude, we are. we did not have the ability to get under the cap b/c we had AWFUL deals through 06 with players that NOBODY wanted. we would've had to wait till 06 THEN rebuild. and during that time, we'd be in the mid teens in terms of picks b/c we be a 35 win team. why can't you see or acknowledge that?

allan is a gimp.

but we still have a nice young and explosive backcourt with marbury and craw. we have a nice SF in ariza. and we have a nice low post player, who's essentially in his first year AND getting better AND has a great work ethic. so the major missing piece is the young athletic big, which we'll try to get. and then fill out our bench with 2nd round picks or lingering free agents.

it's not as bad as you think. talk about drama queen...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01/15/2005 21:03:57]
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1/15/2005  9:00 PM
First off will you get the Rose scare out of your system. Second we are in decent postion to rebuild the knicks back up to a contender. Ariza & Sweetney looking solid. Marbury being Marbury only 27. Crawford will now get more respect since we saw how we are without him. Plus he is only 24 and not even in his prime yet. Baker-Norris-Muhammad-Thomas-Penny all are in there walking next season. Zeke has around 3 picks in this yrs draft if Houston gives up there 2nd rder. And with the track record of Camby, Mcgrady, StoudAmire, Ariza we can put some faith into him. Getting Ariza-Sweetney-Crawford-Marbury as much playoff games as they can get now would be crucial for development so I don't mind the rebuilding on the fly. 500. can get you in the playoffs this season.

Just have to have patience. Not one move was made that suggest that we want to throw away the future. Zeke didn't over pay for Carter when he could have. He held his ground on only using ending salary like TT & Penny as bait or no deal. We allways suggest deals but we have no ideas what other gms are thinking. I can bet you Zeke has had talks with Washington about Kwame Brown probably every GM in the NBA has probably had talks about what Washington wants for Kwame Brown.
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1/15/2005  9:03 PM
No, BRIGGS is right, and its all you morons who don't understand anything about basketball and buy the crap Thomas is selling you.

BRIGGS knows more about bball then most of you will ever care to learn, and you have to blind not to see that this team is a joke.

I was optmistic some time ago, too, but hard trugh cannot be argued with. This team is crap. Marbur is a looser, and the only way to go is rebulding.
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djsunyc
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1/15/2005  9:05 PM
Posted by simrud:

No, BRIGGS is right, and its all you morons who don't understand anything about basketball and buy the crap Thomas is selling you.

BRIGGS knows more about bball then most of you will ever care to learn, and you have to blind not to see that this team is a joke.

I was optmistic some time ago, too, but hard trugh cannot be argued with. This team is crap. Marbur is a looser, and the only way to go is rebulding.

"morons"? nice reply.
see you in 07/08 when we're under the cap. until then, go watch bulls games...
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1/15/2005  9:09 PM
hahaaha

2008

Wow!

And I thought I was being pessimistic. So essentially you are telling me that by 2008, when all our bad deals will run out, we will be under the cap.

And thats supposed to validate Thomas and this garbage we have now?

Man you sure are earning the moron destinction.
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djsunyc
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1/15/2005  9:09 PM
Posted by simrud:

No, BRIGGS is right, and its all you morons who don't understand anything about basketball and buy the crap Thomas is selling you.

BRIGGS knows more about bball then most of you will ever care to learn, and you have to blind not to see that this team is a joke.

I was optmistic some time ago, too, but hard trugh cannot be argued with. This team is crap. Marbur is a looser, and the only way to go is rebulding.

btw, what crap of isiah's am i buying?
i see crawford, i like him. he's 24 and he's good.
i see ariza, who is exhibit K on isiah's how to draft list, and he's good.
i see sweetney, and he's good.

i am watching these games with my own eyes dude. i like them as players. marbury has never won. doesn't mean he never will. i'm willing to give isiah 2-3 years to put a team together and 2-3 years to see if marbury can be a pg of a winning team.

until then, i'm not going to be resolved to the fact that we suck. i'm not being blind, ignorant, stubborn, or high on "kool aid". it's how i look at things. i am patient and i can wait before i fully assess what's going on.

it's not like he just signed spoon or foyle to a 6 year $48 deal. he's put together a younger team with some nice chips. not from what he's saying but from what i'm seeing. now he has to continue this, or i'll dog him out like layden if he doesn't, but i'll wait the requisite 24-36 months before i do it.

all this dogging is complete knee jerk to a 1-6 stretch.
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1/15/2005  9:12 PM
Posted by simrud:

hahaaha

2008

Wow!

And I thought I was being pessimistic. So essentially you are telling me that by 2008, when all our bad deals will run out, we will be under the cap.

And thats supposed to validate Thomas and this garbage we have now?

Man you sure are earning the moron destinction.

you wanted to rebuild. well, we won't be able to "rebuild" the way you want to till 08, so you might as well go home, go to bed, and wake up then otherwise this team will make you pull all your hair out until then.
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1/15/2005  9:16 PM
i don't think he knows any more about basketball than i do. maybe you have a low self esteem
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1/15/2005  9:17 PM
I'v been calling this team garbabe forever now.

From the home opener in Boston.

How many 30pt+ blowouts do you need to se?

Craw has shown nothing, we were .500 at best with him. He doesnt play a lick of D and just chucks away all game.

Marbury's case is closed, he has had enough chances. He is just a loowing player. Minny, NJ, Suns, and now NY is enough for me.

Only Ariza and Sweetney are worth anything on this team, and Sweetney is not even's Thomas's pick.

I don' know how he lucked out into Ariza.
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1/15/2005  9:18 PM
or maybe you are mad because as we speak your fantasy team is getting their arse kicked. you should have let briggs pick your team so he could have picked kaman

oh wait you already have kaman

and nazr

simrud simrud simrud
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djsunyc
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1/15/2005  9:19 PM
Posted by simrud:

I'v been calling this team garbabe forever now.

From the home opener in Boston.

How many 30pt+ blowouts do you need to se?

Craw has shown nothing, we were .500 at best with him. He doesnt play a lick of D and just chucks away all game.

Marbury's case is closed, he has had enough chances. He is just a loowing player. Minny, NJ, Suns, and now NY is enough for me.

Only Ariza and Sweetney are worth anything on this team, and Sweetney is not even's Thomas's pick.

I don' know how he lucked out into Ariza.

fair enough. we'll agree to disagree.

this team does suck. but i also think there's a light at the end of the tunnel. we all have to just wait and see whether that light is an oncoming train.
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1/15/2005  9:21 PM
yeah i have to agree that this team is garbage. i agree wit you there and i also have to admit that i wished the knicks had never got marbury or traded ewing but after i realized i was just a fan then that's what i settled into being

a fan

i can't make moves for the knicks so i don't act like i know more than isiah just because i can coe into a forum and post

i'm sure isiah can come into a forum and post how he should get amare and trade kurt and the send penny and tim thomas to san antonio for tim duncan

he would be a genius wouldn't he

i love this team tat you call garbage but i respect your opinion and everything

go knicks. ride or die
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1/15/2005  9:23 PM
Posted by Pike:

... you're short sightedness is beyond belief. If you don't know the difference in this franchise between then and now, you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Edited by - Pike on 01/15/2005 20:45:14]

Maybe Im short-sighted, but my memory isnt that bad. I remember how many people were begging for Crawford to sit and Allan to start. Were stuck in no man's land, not bad enough to get a top 3 pick, not good enough to do anything in the playoffs--thats IF we make the playoffs.
what si wrose than being like the 12th pick in the draft?

I mean we have some pieces 100+mm is going to get you some pieces, but I would argue that at the time, a team with a healthy Mcdyess would kill this team.
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1/15/2005  9:40 PM
But the experience Crawford-Sweetney-Ariza even Marbury will get by playing as many playoff games as possible is crucial development. I can see Crawford becoming a huge playoff peformer. A lot of players value sky rocket after good playoff series. Plus it is a different atmosphere and more intense helps young players grow a lot quicker. U don't need to have a top 3 pick in order to land a stud. Kobe wasn't a lottery pick neither was J'Oneal. Give me playoff games excitment while we rebuild over 15win seasons and pray we land the next Duncan.

Dice isnt his old self playing in Detroit so how can you expect that from him. I could say if Houston-Crawford-Penny-Thomas were all 100% & Marbury ankles were back to where they were when he was a rookie then this team would kill that team.
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1/15/2005  9:42 PM
I agree I am not going to give up on this team this easily. The future looks very bright as long as we can turn TT/Penny/Kurt/Nazr into an Elite PF/C. Whether that player is an established star or a high potential guy. I trust Isiah will get it done
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1/15/2005  9:49 PM
fool isiah brought you tt nazr and penny and re-signed kurt

man are you incoherent or what

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1/15/2005  10:15 PM
My signature tells it all. WE SUCK NOW!
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1/15/2005  10:22 PM
playa you cut and paster

The Knicks will be fine

Isiah knows what he's doing. Injuries are a part of the gane

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