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BRIGGS
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1/12/2005  12:30 PM
i mean last night we were missing JC,Sweetney and Thomas

NO was missing Jamal Magliore Jamal Mashburn and Jim Jackson


who has the worst scenario? and we are at home

we have more than enough to win, it's an excuse otherwise--it really is. Good coaches, good management

every year almost every team goes through a period of injuries. thats where our competitive advantage with our payroll should come into play--we did do a piss poor job with signing Baker Sundov Brewer and electing not to waive Norris[yes he hit a few shots last night but he scks]
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1/12/2005  12:34 PM
i my be wrong but i don't see anyone blaming the loss on injuries. maybe you are jumping the gun

but still i feel the need to inform you that jim jackson has not played a game for new orleans. how are they missing him? but nevermind that

the knicks really need to do something about their game face spirit. anyone can beat anyone on any given night but what i am disappointed in is the lack of effort
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1/12/2005  12:44 PM
couldn't agree more BRIGGS...there is no excuse for the Knicks other than they were simply outplayed by the worst team in the league...

when you have Dan Dickau making plays down the stretch & outplaying your best player, you have serious problems.
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1/12/2005  12:51 PM
thats what sucks. now Lenny is not going to get fired because they can blame the injuries
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1/12/2005  12:52 PM
I don't care if you play with a 7 or 5 man rotation... there is no excuse for lack of effort and intensity... and as mentioned, everyone has injuries to deal with.
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1/12/2005  1:08 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:

i my be wrong but i don't see anyone blaming the loss on injuries. maybe you are jumping the gun

but still i feel the need to inform you that jim jackson has not




played a game for new orleans. how are they missing him? but nevermind that

the knicks really need to do something about their game face spirit. anyone can beat anyone on any given night but what i am disappointed in is the lack of effort



they traded for him and they are mising him, hes a roster player who is suspended they lost david wesley remember? they had much more out than we did.
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1/12/2005  1:17 PM
Nah man, this is not about injuires.

I expected this loss actually. This team is a fraud. I'v been saying it for a while now, ofcourse that was "overeacting", cause you know every time we win a game we are on our way to a 45 win season, oops I mean a title lol.

Get real folks, this team is what it is, a best a .500 team. I feel bad for anybody who still cares about them this season. I'm just lookin forward to next year really.

As far as I'm concerned this season is over.
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1/12/2005  2:55 PM
Well to be fair with Baron Davis healthy they aren't the same 3-29 team they were all season. And they also did beat Kings the night before.

But we are definatly better than them though we aren't really good right now. The team is depleted. All we can to is sit back. Wait for Crawford & Sweetney to get healthy. Brace ourselves for a roller coaster season. And wait for these contracts to become appealing to other teams. But if there is a move out there that can get us another young athlete go for it.
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1/12/2005  8:46 PM
Injuries don't matter? The talent of the players you can put on the floor is irrelevant? I thought you were smarter than that. Of course, you give 100% effort no matter who's injured. As a fan, I can understand when a team loses when all of its shooting guards are injured (Houston's playing though) and you only have one player who can give you more than 12 points a game. I'd be equally understanding for any team going through a stretch with several key players out. Many people are sympathetic toward the Jazz because they're struggling without Kirilenko.
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1/12/2005  9:00 PM
the team they played last night had injured players of their own...that's the point Briggs was trying to make...bottomline, the knicks have a more talented team than the hornets even with all the injuries factored in & they still lost at home to the worst team in the league...if that doesn't bother you, i don't know what to tell ya.
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1/12/2005  11:05 PM
It's not like injuries are a non-factor. Sweetney, despite Lenny's poor allocation of PT, is the best forward on this team, and Crawford is the best shooting guard. This team doesn't have enough depth to compensate for their absences over an extended period.
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1/12/2005  11:43 PM
Posted by TMS:

the team they played last night had injured players of their own...that's the point Briggs was trying to make...bottomline, the knicks have a more talented team than the hornets even with all the injuries factored in & they still lost at home to the worst team in the league...if that doesn't bother you, i don't know what to tell ya.
I disagree. I think the two teams were pretty comparable talent wise now that Baron Davis is back. The only position you could argue that we have a big advantage is center, but that's if you blindly look at Nazy's 12/9 without paying close attention to his game.

What teams in the NBA have a worse starting lineup than

Marbury
Houston
JYD
Kurt
Nazy
?

That looks like a 25 win team to me. You have only one guy who can score more than 12 PPG. Losing to a team with the worst record bothers me, but what really bothers me is having so many players injured at the same time.
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1/13/2005  9:52 AM
injuries arent an excuse... they are a reality. Yes every team deals with them and most every team losses games because of them. Did Sloan suddenly forget to coach, or has his team gone to the crapper since his best player got hurt. What about Denver? Denver and Utah were supposed to be the posterboards for how to build a team with picks and cap space. Not so good right now. What about the Pacers? The Nets? The Hornets?

Are they an excuse? Not at all.. like you said every team deals with them. But when you lose more games when guys are out you have to be realistic also.
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1/13/2005  10:10 AM
and believe it or not, shooting guard is a very important position, as is power forward.

The nuggets went down as soon as veshawn lenord did.
The nets will drop like a thud without Jefferson.

Penny was the back up for all those positions and he's even down.

So, marbs ran out of gas at the end of the game (didn't see it, but read about it), he's been carrying the scoring load for 10 games now...Baron Davis returned, the knicks lost.

Craw and Sweets being hurt really...well, hurts.
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1/13/2005  2:32 PM
Posted by fishmike:

injuries arent an excuse... they are a reality. Yes every team deals with them and most every team losses games because of them. Did Sloan suddenly forget to coach, or has his team gone to the crapper since his best player got hurt. What about Denver? Denver and Utah were supposed to be the posterboards for how to build a team with picks and cap space. Not so good right now. What about the Pacers? The Nets? The Hornets?

Are they an excuse? Not at all.. like you said every team deals with them. But when you lose more games when guys are out you have to be realistic also.

the Jazz are hurt by losing Kirilenko, but he is a top 10 player. Crawford isnt a top 15 SG. On top of that, Utah had a huge overhaul and it has taken time to develop for them. they really need Kirilenko. Houston is more than an adequate replacement for Crawford, hes just about as good even in his bothered state. How many teasm wish they could have h20 if their 2g went down--heck, i can recall many posts begging for allan return and how bad craw ups and down s were--y or no? craw is just as likely to go 10-17 as he is 4-17 with no D.
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1/13/2005  2:54 PM
and we havent had a huge overhaul? Listen.. I actually agree with you for the most part. I think you think a lot of people around here think we are a 50+ win team and are only where we are because we are missing a couple guys.

Missing guys hurts because they are the guys we want to see get more playing time. Heck, I could care less if we were losing tons of games but Sweetney and Ariza are playing 35 minutes per.

The Knicks were playing playing pretty well with wins against the Wolves, Magic, Cavs.. I think we were 16-13. Rather than panicking and comparing the worst the Knicks have played to every team thats having a great couple weeks (Bulls) look at the long term picture.

In a year and a half are TT/Penny/KT/Baker/Moochie/Houston going to be here?

Arent Okur and Boozer better than anyone in our current frontcourt? So why do the Jazz w/ Sloan lose every game? Considering our roster is just as new as theirs I think we have faired pretty well when compared to Utah and Denver and Houston and some of the other teams that have struggled.

The problem isnt the losses, its the way we lost.
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1/13/2005  5:29 PM
What teams in the NBA have a worse starting lineup than

Marbury
Houston
JYD
Kurt
Nazy
bench - Ariza, Moochie

PG - Baron Davis
SG - J.R. Smith
SF - Lee Nailon
PF - Rodney Rogers
C - P.J. Brown
bench - Dickau, Anderson, Nachbar

There is your list of players who played in that game. Is there anyone here who can say the Hornets who played that night are a superior team to the one the Knicks put on the floor?
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1/13/2005  6:27 PM
Posted by TMS:
What teams in the NBA have a worse starting lineup than

Marbury
Houston
JYD
Kurt
Nazy
bench - Ariza, Moochie

PG - Baron Davis
SG - J.R. Smith
SF - Lee Nailon
PF - Rodney Rogers
C - P.J. Brown
bench - Dickau, Anderson, Nachbar

There is your list of players who played in that game. Is there anyone here who can say the Hornets who played that night are a superior team to the one the Knicks put on the floor?
Wow; you were only able to come up with one (debatable) team. I guess you're admitting now that the team that took the floor in the last game is the 2nd worst starting lineup in the league. That's very different from what you were saying in another forum!
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1/13/2005  6:42 PM
Posted by TMS:
What teams in the NBA have a worse starting lineup than

Marbury
Houston
JYD
Kurt
Nazy
bench - Ariza, Moochie

PG - Baron Davis
SG - J.R. Smith
SF - Lee Nailon
PF - Rodney Rogers
C - P.J. Brown
bench - Dickau, Anderson, Nachbar

There is your list of players who played in that game. Is there anyone here who can say the Hornets who played that night are a superior team to the one the Knicks put on the floor?


Thats funny because most people wanted JYD to start over TT and H2 to start over Crawford, so you got the line up you wanted. So I guess everyone wanted the worst line up in the league?

Now we are making TT and Crawford to be Pippen and Jordan. lets be real, we werent very good with them and we arent good without them, were just not that good.

I thought Marbury was the bets PG in the league? Kt and Nazr were borderline all stars and JYD would create havoc and put up a double double with Houston bringing in 16-18 points that craw brought. Guess what H2O has brought in 16-17 points and JYD has played beter than TT! we won a game against Portland and then we lost a game against NO. it doesnt matter who we have in this roster on the floor, we can lose to anyone anytime, we have proven it all year.

were somehwer ebtween a 38-42 win team , thats it no more no less dig it
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1/13/2005  7:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
What teams in the NBA have a worse starting lineup than

Marbury
Houston
JYD
Kurt
Nazy
bench - Ariza, Moochie

PG - Baron Davis
SG - J.R. Smith
SF - Lee Nailon
PF - Rodney Rogers
C - P.J. Brown
bench - Dickau, Anderson, Nachbar

There is your list of players who played in that game. Is there anyone here who can say the Hornets who played that night are a superior team to the one the Knicks put on the floor?


Thats funny because most people wanted JYD to start over TT and H2 to start over Crawford, so you got the line up you wanted. So I guess everyone wanted the worst line up in the league?

Now we are making TT and Crawford to be Pippen and Jordan. lets be real, we werent very good with them and we arent good without them, were just not that good.

I thought Marbury was the bets PG in the league? Kt and Nazr were borderline all stars and JYD would create havoc and put up a double double with Houston bringing in 16-18 points that craw brought. Guess what H2O has brought in 16-17 points and JYD has played beter than TT! we won a game against Portland and then we lost a game against NO. it doesnt matter who we have in this roster on the floor, we can lose to anyone anytime, we have proven it all year.

were somehwer ebtween a 38-42 win team , thats it no more no less dig it
Briggie, now you're just making stuff up. Who said Kurt is a borderline all-star? One poster said Nazy was a borderline all-star and then everyone else disagreed with him. Also, who said that they wanted Jamal injured and Houston playing almost all the SG minutes? Some people may have said they wanted Jamal coming off the bench for 28 mpg as a spark, but that is far different from having him playing 0 mpg and watching.
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