I haven't posted in a while but i have been reading some of the post on this site. It seems as if sweetney is on a high untouchable perch. i've read that sweetney can't be traded for the likes of curry, brown, dalmbert,etc. i hate to be the bearer of bad news but the "potential" of sweetney verses the "potential of those mentioned are the same. sweetney could come out to be a "bust" just like any other player. i personally think that if you can trade a 6'8" pf for a 6'10" or bigger center i'm all for it. another reason to back up my arguement is that sg,sf,pf are a dime a dozen in the NBA, centers and PG are hard to come by. i would not advise using a 1st round pick to get one at first but shoot if thats what is takes then fine. Nazar is doing well for right now( has a lot of heart) but lets be for real nazar can't not do too much better than he is doing now. We need more than that!!!! we need a real factor in the middle. i am sorry that the knicks didn't do that trade for curry earlier. if aguire can do that with sweetney what could he do with curry. the bottom line is a 6'8" pf is not untouchable, and any trade to get a 6'11 or 7'0" young center should be done.

by the way the tread that said ariza is the next grant hill... it had me laughing for a bit- that is a long stretch....

[Edited by - armondaone on 01/07/2005 02:02:12]

We will never know how good Sweetney truly is until we trade Kurt's *** out of here. Our front-court could be much better if Kurt wasn't a starter. I don't know what it will take for our decision makers to realize that it is imperative to make that change.....Kurt has posted good numbers, but they are meaningless. OUr team constantly looks they have been outplayed because we always look ten steps slower than the other squad.

No, people were refusing to deal Sweetney AND Ariza AND a 1st rd pick in that thread for guys like Brown, Curry, etc. Most of us would do a straight Sweetney for Brown trade, though.

if Sweetney were ever to put up numbers like those put up by Curry, Kwame & Dalembert in games before, you'd never hear the end of it...i don't understand why people even put him in the same class as guys who are alot more athletic, taller & have put up bigger numbers who have huge upsides in their own right & are all about the same age.

He also takes over 9 FTs per 48 minutes. Do we have ANY frontcourt player that gets to the line?

there are some intangibles to Sweets-

1. He's got great hands- I when was the last Knick big to have good hands? Ewing sure didn't.

2. He's a legit post threat- he reminds me a little of a Barkley/LJ type that's not big, but is wide and mobile

3. He's got a nose for the ball. TT only gets boards that fall into his hands- and the other half the time the ball whizes by his face to the player he should have blocked out. KT boards well, but its more a good technique rebound. Sweets goes and gets it.

These are all innate gifts/talents- they can't be taught or learned.

What Sweets needs to do, is polish himself up- loosing a few pounds won't hurt.

I'll take a 6'8" pf with these intangibles over a 7' stiff- not that the folks mentioned are that- as Fish says- they've gotten time.

Yet there are too many rumours of them being traded for them to be untouchable which means their current teams must not be in love with them.

I'm not in love with sweets that I wouldn't trade him- someone said he might develop into an Armon Gilliam-type role player. That's not bad.

who said they would never trade him? I didnt like the Sweetney/Ariza future unprotected draft pick for Kwame trade. If that trade happened I would be excited to have Kwame, I just dont think its a great move now, especially when he's an RFA. You could just wind up paying for him twice. Better to use expiring deals and have his agent bully the Wizards into making a trade. Its not that I dont like Kwame, its just the timing.

What about Nazr+Baker+rights to our 04 #1, and $3mm for Kwame in a sign and trade starting at $8mm? Then you have Kwame/Sweetney/Ariza at the 3,4,5 in your pipeline. Why wouldnt Wash take Nazr and pick (Baker's free we include the $3mm) rather than pay Kwame big cash? They arent the Knicks and Mavs with their payroll. If it doesnt happen you move to Curry or Dalembert and so on.

Its not about refusing to trade Sweetney its about getting the most for our assets and that means timing is critical.

Glad you think its funny though

[Edited by - fishmike on 01/07/2005 10:59:30]

Pike: I agree with you about Kwame brown. He is not that good! He is one of those permanent projects. Kinda like Olowakandi. I would rather have Doleac that those 2.

Sweetney I dont know about. I doubt he will ever be the kinda player Elton Brand is. If he cannot become that kind of a player, we will not win a championship with Stephon, Craw and Sweetney! This Knick team is a very mediocre .500 team. They will barely make the playoffs and lose in the first round at full strength. We are in dire need of a front court guy. We need a post presence in the worst kinda way.

We need to figure the sweetney situation out real soon. Give him the minutes he needs and let him try and prove himself. If he cannot, go after another guy but do it soon. If we are rebuilding, can we please rebuild efficiently?

my point is Fuel, Sweetney has shown enough (many of the attributes described in Franco12's post) to be encouraged about his bright future. What he has not gotten, is enough playing time... this is why I'm hoping any trade we make, free's it up for him. He's gotta play more.

Soft hands, nose for the ball, soft J and overall feel for the game. I'm telling you, if this guy keeps his body in as good physical conditioning as possible, this guys going to be very good for a long time.

Posted by Pike:

if this guy keeps his body in as good physical conditioning as possible, this guys going to be very good for a long time.

How good can he be? Can he be Elton Brand good? if he can, I dont mind waiting.

ur right though, he does show signs of a bright future. I hate even thinking of Sweetney not being Knick.

Posted by TMS:
i can think of several posts where i've read that people did not want to give up Sweetney to get an "underachiever like Curry or Kwame" or a "1 dimensional player like Dalembert"...i don't think i need to go digging up old posts to prove that, do i? i know you've seen them too fish, because you've debated w/those same people that Sweetney for those guys straight up was a deal you had to make.

probably, but I'm still not high on those trades if Mike is involved. The whole point is getting 2 guys that compliment each other. Dalembert id great but then your back to looking for a 4 that can score to compliment him.

My point is I think its 100% feasible to do both right now, and keeping Sweetney and putting a tall athletic 5 next to him is my goal.

I dont see why this summer we dont have the resources to do that.