Posted by TMS:

Iverson's a better player

You shouldn't even be on this list of MVP candidates when you're team has a losing record and is headed to the lottery for the 3rd straight year regardless of how well you're playing individually

happily for everyone, mvp is voted at the end of the yr.

what will that change ?

- nash will as usual have broken down, teams will have adapted and will find a way to slow the suns down
- the sonics magic will vanish in the air cause :
> there are a lot of free agents in that team, and they will soon whine about their contract, trades will be done, breaking the chemistry
> teams again will adapt to their game, as the celtics have already done 2 times. this is a jumpshooting team. once their confidence will falter, so will the results

marbury wont be mvp, iverson will go the lottery again, nash will fall in the standings and ray allen will bitch again.
same ol' song every year.

in the end, the spurs will own them all in the west, miami (if they get zo) and detroit will do the same in the east ; the knicks on the other hand will buy tickets to watch the finals on tv.

Right now, it's hard to argue with Amare at #1...atleast for me it is.

Posted by TMS:

i'm not even considering how their teams are playing this year...Allen Iverson is simply a better player than Marbury is...it's not even close in my view.

[Edited by - TMS on 12/28/2004 11:48:17]

So why did Marbury's team finish ahead of Iverson's last year and why is his team ahead of Iverson's this year too? Is Marbury's supporting cast really that much better than Iverson's??

Should I assume everyone here agrees with my comments about Marbury vs Pierce since no one stated any disagreements?

Posted by TMS:

so Bonn, what is your argument here? that you feel Marbury is a better player than Iverson (as suggested in your initial post) or that you feel Marbury deserves more recognition as an MVP to his team than Iverson does to his, & not that you feel that Marbury is a better player?

I'd say both to your question. Marbury definitely deserves more recognition than he is getting, more than Pierce is getting, and at this point more than Iverson is getting. At this point in their careers, I think Marbury is better than Iverson too and am glad we have him rather than Iverson on the team.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/29/2004 09:54:35]

When Marbury puts up back to back 50 point efforts then he will get recognition because to some that's all it is about. Scoring. Marbury sacrificed his shots for Crawford and Nazy early in the season so his MVP recognition is shot dead at this point, but the more the season goes on, he'll get his jus-due. IMO. Marbury will have games like he had last year against the Clippers. He is just trying to mature into a well-rounded player because he always hears about him not being mature and blah-blah-blah. This guy carries himself very well. He's on the NBA-League Pass Commercial, and he is in the Fat Joe, Remie Martin, and some other guy video. He's always supporting some kind of event in New York. He's gonna get his in time.

My last post did come out as Iverson is only about scoring. Sorry bout' that. I was talkin' about the people who put the players up for the MVP selection. Iverson is not a selfish player by no means and he has grown into a very mature and dependable leader. But to say he is in a different class than Marbury is not givin' Marbury his just do. IMO, i think if Marbury was to take the Knicks to the Finals you will say Marbury just has a better supporting cast than Iverson. These guys are both good and they are in the same league. Marbury is a more controlled player than Iverson, but Iverson is excellent at what he does and noone penetrates better than Wade, Iverson, and Marbury. Stats aren't and shouldn't be the only reason to list someone as MVP.

Actually, I would gladly take Pierce and Iverson over Marbury.

And I agree with the Metssuck. Yes, Iverson does take a ton of bad shots, but not once in his NBA career has he ever played with another scorer. The guy is the toughest player in the league and is all about nothing but winning. He is a leader and has adapted to his new PG role very well. And talk about leadership. When NOBODY else on team USA would speak, after they lost that game, he stepped up and became the spokesperson. I am sorry, but I would take Iverson over most people in the league.

As for Pierce, I think he has the same knocks that Marbury did. Doesn't share the rock (which I disagree with) and doesn't play defense (Which I partially disagree with). I am not gonna look into stats, b/c you know perfectly well that's not my game. But when I see Paul Pierce, I see a guy who's at the level of Kobe and T-Mac, and yes, Iverson. Guys like that are not exactly easy to come by. I would trade Marbury for very few players, but Pierce and Iverson are 2 of those few.

the reason i feel that Marbury is a tier below (in the same class as Baron Davis, Steve Francis, etc. - which is not exactly saying that he's not good) is because like A-fan said, Iverson has basically carried his teams all by himself throughout his career & still has found success & posted up incredible #'s...

Iverson is a very good perimeter defender, quicker off the dribble, relentless on both ends of the floor, tough as nails & he accepts accountability for his team's failures...he has been known to do some boneheaded things off the court & has had conflicts w/his coaches over his career, but as a player & what he actually brings to the game when he's playing, i feel he's in a more elite class than Marbury is.

i put Iverson in the top 10 players in the game today easily...he'll be a HOFer for sure...Marbury may make the next group of 10, if not the next 5 after that...he may be a HOFer too, but right now he's not a shoe-in...just my personal opinion.