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Bonn1997
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12/25/2004  11:35 PM
If you were starting a team now and wanted a star to lead your team for the next 5 to 10 years, what players would you take ahead of Dwayne Wade?

I think the only ones I'd take are

KG
Garnett
Duncan
Lebron
Amare
J. O'Neal
Kirilenko (maybe)

I'm leaving Kobe off because I don't think he has as much of a winning attitude as Wade and Dirk off because I question how his ankles will hold up

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/26/2004 08:09:37]

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/26/2004 11:36:05]
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12/26/2004  12:01 AM
I get your point, but he's still too in experienced. But for future purposes, yes, he will probably be top 5. I would add guys like Tim Duncan and Jason Kidd (Uf he gets healthy) on your list.
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12/26/2004  12:43 AM
I miss the point because he is so young still. I haven't paid much attention to his passing ability but noted he had like 9 or 10 assists by games end. He is excellent at getting to the hole and finishing, however, his jumpshot leaves quite a bit to be desired. He is a very fun player to watch but he seems to be developing along the lines of Steve Francis, who i don't think many would put in their top 5.

Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Stephon Marbury
Tracy Mcgrady
Zach Randolph
Ray Allen
Yao Ming
Jermaine O'neal in a heartbeat
Pao Gasol
J. Kidd (healthy)
Baron Davis (healthy)
Vince Carter (healthy) probably not actually because of his attitude.
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitski in a split second
Mike Bibby
and on and on...
you can't put him so high so soon.

If I had seen a few more games of some of the rookies this year I probably would include some of them as well, like
Emeka okafor.
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12/26/2004  1:41 AM
He's a very good player, but playing with Shaq makes every small man look better.
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12/26/2004  2:55 AM
there are quite a few players out there better than wade. Choosing the player you feel you can build on or around depends on priority of position and longevity commitment. 5 years is reasonable and a good starting point. Btw, on my list all players are injury free.

diesel
duncan
kidd
kg
dirk
ming
jermaine
kobe
ai
stevie franchise

wow...cant see why anyone would leave off shaq, now you gonna see what I termed a while ago is all about........instant championship

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12/26/2004  3:27 AM
Posted by Rich:

He's a very good player, but playing with Shaq makes every small man look better.

exactly. J kidd too (k mart)
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12/26/2004  8:10 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I get your point, but he's still too in experienced. But for future purposes, yes, he will probably be top 5. I would add guys like Tim Duncan and Jason Kidd (Uf he gets healthy) on your list.
I meant to include Duncan but forgot to. I edited the post. No way would I choose a 30+ yr old Kidd coming off microfracture surgery over Wade and I doubt even the Nets would choose Kidd over Wade.
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12/26/2004  8:21 AM
Posted by Rich:

He's a very good player, but playing with Shaq makes every small man look better.
Exactly. Most people miss this very important point.
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12/26/2004  10:01 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

I miss the point because he is so young still. I haven't paid much attention to his passing ability but noted he had like 9 or 10 assists by games end. He is excellent at getting to the hole and finishing, however, his jumpshot leaves quite a bit to be desired. He is a very fun player to watch but he seems to be developing along the lines of Steve Francis, who i don't think many would put in their top 5.

Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Stephon Marbury
Tracy Mcgrady
Zach Randolph
Ray Allen
Yao Ming
Jermaine O'neal in a heartbeat
Pao Gasol
J. Kidd (healthy)
Baron Davis (healthy)
Vince Carter (healthy) probably not actually because of his attitude.
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitski in a split second
Mike Bibby
and on and on...
you can't put him so high so soon.

If I had seen a few more games of some of the rookies this year I probably would include some of them as well, like
Emeka okafor.

I'd take Wade over most of these players. He's a better player than Nash, Marbury, Allen, Ming, Gasol, Davis and Bibby. His youth and upside would weigh in over Nowitski and Duncan. Wade is a very talented guy who has a well rounded game - scoring, passing and playing defense. He also pulls in more rebounds than some small forwards - unusual for a guard.
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12/26/2004  10:33 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

I miss the point because he is so young still. I haven't paid much attention to his passing ability but noted he had like 9 or 10 assists by games end. He is excellent at getting to the hole and finishing, however, his jumpshot leaves quite a bit to be desired. He is a very fun player to watch but he seems to be developing along the lines of Steve Francis, who i don't think many would put in their top 5.

Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Stephon Marbury
Tracy Mcgrady
Zach Randolph
Ray Allen
Yao Ming
Jermaine O'neal in a heartbeat
Pao Gasol
J. Kidd (healthy)
Baron Davis (healthy)
Vince Carter (healthy) probably not actually because of his attitude.
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitski in a split second
Mike Bibby
and on and on...
you can't put him so high so soon.

If I had seen a few more games of some of the rookies this year I probably would include some of them as well, like
Emeka okafor.
What does Mike Bibby do that Wade doesn't?

Same question for: T-Mac, Marbury, Francis, Baron, Vince, Pierce.

Yao blocks more shots but that's it. For a guard, Wade is a much better rebounder than Yao is for a center, which is just sad when you consider that Yao is 7'6". Zach gives up as many points as he scores; so he's not even close on this list. Pau Gasol: See Yao comment.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/26/2004 11:41:40]
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12/26/2004  10:42 AM
I'll start off with Bonn's list:
KG
TD
LeBron
Amare
Jermain
And now to add my own:
Pau
AK47
Artest (if healthy, and by healthy, I mean mentally stable)
...and I would consider, while probably not going with, Nash, Marbury, or Kidd who can set others up beautifully.
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12/26/2004  10:46 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Rich:

He's a very good player, but playing with Shaq makes every small man look better.
Exactly. Most people miss this very important point.

not for nothing but he sort of carried the heat in the playoffs last season. he was gonna bust out this year regardless of shaq. miami probably wouldn't have this many wins but his #'s would still be awesome.
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12/26/2004  11:34 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Rich:

He's a very good player, but playing with Shaq makes every small man look better.
Exactly. Most people miss this very important point.

not for nothing but he sort of carried the heat in the playoffs last season. he was gonna bust out this year regardless of shaq. miami probably wouldn't have this many wins but his #'s would still be awesome.
Well put DJ. You're a smart man!
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12/26/2004  11:36 AM
I bought the kid's jersey last yr , that's how much of a "super star" I thought he would be even as a rookie.

Love his attitude, his maturity "family man" and all.

This guy has worked


This season I saw Wade block a sure 6'10 guys dunk right at the rim, the impact was so powerful that after the block Wade went flying backwards landing on his butt.

Anybody wanna say (DAVID THOMPSON) 6'4 212 lb

[Edited by - playa2 on 12/26/2004 11:42:51]
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12/26/2004  11:38 AM
Posted by MaTT4281:

I'll start off with Bonn's list:
KG
TD
LeBron
Amare
Jermain
And now to add my own:
Pau
AK47
Artest (if healthy, and by healthy, I mean mentally stable)
...and I would consider, while probably not going with, Nash, Marbury, or Kidd who can set others up beautifully.
Yeah, a good case could be made for Kirilenko. Wade has him beat in every area except blocked shots, but Kirilenko is a shot-blocking monster who is still very good at other aspects of the game. I'll put him in at a tie with Wade. Wade's a much better scorer and passer. I don't have the time right now to look at the stats but my guess is that Wade's a better rebounder for a guard than Kirilenko is for a forward and they're comparable at getting steals (or maybe an advantage for Kirilenko). Wade gets the edge in ability to lead his team, though.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/26/2004 11:43:30]
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12/26/2004  3:23 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Killa4luv:

I miss the point because he is so young still. I haven't paid much attention to his passing ability but noted he had like 9 or 10 assists by games end. He is excellent at getting to the hole and finishing, however, his jumpshot leaves quite a bit to be desired. He is a very fun player to watch but he seems to be developing along the lines of Steve Francis, who i don't think many would put in their top 5.

Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Stephon Marbury
Tracy Mcgrady
Zach Randolph
Ray Allen
Yao Ming
Jermaine O'neal in a heartbeat
Pao Gasol
J. Kidd (healthy)
Baron Davis (healthy)
Vince Carter (healthy) probably not actually because of his attitude.
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitski in a split second
Mike Bibby
and on and on...
you can't put him so high so soon.

If I had seen a few more games of some of the rookies this year I probably would include some of them as well, like
Emeka okafor.
What does Mike Bibby do that Wade doesn't?

Same question for: T-Mac, Marbury, Francis, Baron, Vince, Pierce.

Yao blocks more shots but that's it. For a guard, Wade is a much better rebounder than Yao is for a center, which is just sad when you consider that Yao is 7'6". Zach gives up as many points as he scores; so he's not even close on this list. Pau Gasol: See Yao comment.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/26/2004 11:41:40]

I looked at the stats and I have to retract several names from that list. I had only seen him play a few times but statistically he looks crazy!! Yeah he is special, however, I would always tend to choose a big man over a guard when building a team.
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12/26/2004  3:27 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Killa4luv:

I miss the point because he is so young still. I haven't paid much attention to his passing ability but noted he had like 9 or 10 assists by games end. He is excellent at getting to the hole and finishing, however, his jumpshot leaves quite a bit to be desired. He is a very fun player to watch but he seems to be developing along the lines of Steve Francis, who i don't think many would put in their top 5.

Tim Duncan
Steve Nash
Stephon Marbury
Tracy Mcgrady
Zach Randolph
Ray Allen
Yao Ming
Jermaine O'neal in a heartbeat
Pao Gasol
J. Kidd (healthy)
Baron Davis (healthy)
Vince Carter (healthy) probably not actually because of his attitude.
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitski in a split second
Mike Bibby
and on and on...
you can't put him so high so soon.

If I had seen a few more games of some of the rookies this year I probably would include some of them as well, like
Emeka okafor.
What does Mike Bibby do that Wade doesn't?

Same question for: T-Mac, Marbury, Francis, Baron, Vince, Pierce.

Yao blocks more shots but that's it. For a guard, Wade is a much better rebounder than Yao is for a center, which is just sad when you consider that Yao is 7'6". Zach gives up as many points as he scores; so he's not even close on this list. Pau Gasol: See Yao comment.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12/26/2004 11:41:40]

I looked at the stats and I have to retract several names from that list. I had only seen him play a few times but statistically he looks crazy!! Yeah he is special, however, I would always tend to choose a big man over a guard when building a team.
So you've been basing these evaluations on stats?
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12/26/2004  3:28 PM
After watching today's game, I am reminded of just how good Okafor is. He atleast deserves to be on par with Wade.
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12/26/2004  3:30 PM
No, I was basing them on the games I saw from him. Then after I looked at the stats I got a different kind of picture of what he does night in and night out. If I was basing it on stats I never would have had people like Mike Bibby and T. Mac on there to name a few.
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12/27/2004  10:30 AM
i would take only the following guys over Wade if i had to get a guy to lead my team for the next 5-10 years:

1 - lebron
2 - KG
3 - duncan
4 - kobe
5 - amare
6 - dwight howard
7 - j. o'neal
8 - kirilenko
9 - dirk
10 - yao
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