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12/21/2004  1:09 PM
NJ is the opposite of the Knicks. They don't have money. They can't afford to pay a good team. They got lucky because Martin & Jefferson were both in there rookie contracts. They wouldn't be able to afford a team with 4 players making quality money. They would end up being the Clippers and letting guys walk because they can't afford to keep them ala KMart. And it mostly comes down to fan support. Carter is all about fan support. He will have Nets selling crazy amounts of jerseys. And Kidd-Carter-Jefferson will be a highlight show. Plus there moving to Brooklyn. Carter the regular leading vote getter will be the main attraction for the Brooklyn nets. Along with Jay Z who is now the CEO of def jam. Vince Carter & Jay Z will bring the nets market up. Knicks will allways be #1 in NY. But Jay Z & Carter will definatly steal some thunder especially from the younger generation and build a fan base for the future.
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12/21/2004  1:24 PM
Carter was definately a good marketing move. No doubt about it. He was also a good basketball acquisition if he plays more than 40 games a year. They might have been better off with Kenyon Martin from a basketball point of view tho.
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12/21/2004  1:34 PM
you know what would be better, if they ship jason kidd outta town for a young PG/PF and some picks.
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12/21/2004  1:42 PM
Brillliant? I don't know..

but if the nets were to trade kid to the mavs, for Devin Harris, Josh Howard and booth, that would give them a center, a damn good SF/SG in Howard and a good young PG, this would make the nets deeper and better... Howard would be fine comming off the bench.

Kidd gives the mavs a experienced replacement for nash...
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12/21/2004  3:35 PM
the Nets are the NBA's version of the NY Mets...1 minute they say they want to rebuild so they trade away a main piece of their contending teams for a couple of 1st round draft picks & cap relief...then a few months later, they give up 2 1st round picks along with 3/4 of their frontcourt for a high-priced disgruntled star player who's on the IR.

Kidd - Vince - RJ = very exciting trio if healthy

Collins - Scalabrine - Krstic = pretty much the worst frontcourt in the NBA

are the Nets really better off now? i happen to agree w/tkf, they would have been much better off trading Jason Kidd for a couple of young up & comers like Josh Howard, Devin Harris & a pick, & then using the trade exceptions & draft picks in the offseason to build a young nucleus for the new franchise move to Brooklyn.
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12/21/2004  4:49 PM
they are going to have a frontcourt that will make vin baker look like shaq.
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12/21/2004  5:41 PM
Posted by teslawlo:

they are going to have a frontcourt that will make vin baker look like shaq.
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12/21/2004  7:06 PM
VC is gonna be what Steph was to the knicks from a marketing point of view.

VC will be what Amare is to the Suns when it comes to making an impact in games.

VC will be the dagger against opponents when it comes to ISO'S and fast break points.

Yes it was a brilliant move!
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12/21/2004  7:19 PM
Hey when you have the best pg in the game running the show, and for sure serving the ball, with Jefferson in the wing doing his things, a talented player like Carter has no choice but to be great. Now, whether or not he will show his total arsenal is a different thing, but in my opinion, Kidd can make anyone great. Marburry is learning to do just that with Crawf, Houston, perhaps TT, Nazr, Kurt, Sweetney, and finally Ariza.

The trio of Kidd, Carter at SG, Jefferson, could be just like the Lakers if they can find a big man that can pass, rebound, and postup. Carter will be playing his natural position, and the three could be much better than our trio: Marb, Crawf, TT. Even if you replace Crawf or TT with Houston, if Kidd and Carter remain healthy, they can still be better than our trio, unless if the TT that we know from last season surface, and if our frontcourt develops into what we hope. Don't sleep on the Nets. They still don't have a defensive presence. Our defense is getting better thanks to JYD.
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12/21/2004  7:29 PM
ok now seriously we are totally hyping up NJ BRIGGS-style. the grass is not always greener on the other side... starting collins and scalabrine or jabari smith is sad. it really is.
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12/21/2004  7:57 PM
nj has to be one of the luckiest teams in the nba to land carter especially when letting kmart walk for 3 number 1 daft picks. looks like carter's superstar status has been downgraded to a bag of donuts. jersey makes out regardless of win record....people will pay to see vince air show. air meadowlands ?.....hahaha, don't sound right
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12/21/2004  8:15 PM
imagine trading two picks that were never really yours, and a back-up f/c for a premier g/f that can pack even the meadowlands. at the same time you also get rid of a contract that you were looking to get rid of anyway. i know this isn't a nets site, but the toronto got burnt. i guess in the long run vince really is going to get his way. he will end up in brooklyn.
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12/22/2004  11:31 AM
it just makes me scratch my head because the direction their franchise chose to take after they traded away K-Mart was pretty much to cut back on expenditures & save money w/an eye towards rebuilding for 2005/06 season...imho, i just feel that a much wiser decision after they chose that route was to follow along the path & trade Jason Kidd for 2 young, up & comers like Devin Harris, Josh Howard & picks from DAL, combine those types of players w/the picks they already had & the trade exceptions they got in the Kittles & K-Mart trades, NOT sign a stiff like Jason Collins to a ridiculous extension, & then make a serious run at a FA in the offseason along w/a trade for another star player using the trade exceptions & picks (Elton Brand?)...

tell me what team you'd rather have going into next season if you're a Nets fan (just for arguments' sake):

team A:
C - Krstic / Smith
PF - Collins / Scalabrine
SF - RJ / Mercer
SG - Vince / Buford / Planinic
PG - Kidd / Best / Vaughn

or team B:
C - Zo / Krstic
PF - Brand / ATrain / Scalabrine
SF - Josh / EWill
SG - RJ / Mercer / Planinic
PG - Harris / Vaughn

if you're into short term satisfaction, team A will do fine...but if you're looking longterm & aiming to build towards a championship, team B is by far the smarter way to go IMHO.
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12/22/2004  11:41 AM
I will say this, that was the first time I got to see Nenad Kristic play extended minutes and I came away VERY impressed. Hes a true 7 foot C and has a tremendous skill set, and he played very tough. His length bothered ok4 quite badly, and when they were playing 7-0 260 Collins and 7-0 240 Kristic together, it was hard to do much in the lane. Now they need more, but if Vince can just play within the offense run by J Kidd, now Im thinking that this team can make a run. Its not going to be a quick thing--they will need the remaining schedule-- i.e 58 games to overcome the games they are under .500

if they are able to acquire 1 big man and get back planicic-mercer for depth, they have a legit shot to make a run at the playoffs.
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12/22/2004  11:47 AM
VC will be what Amare is to the Suns when it comes to making an impact in games.
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12/22/2004  2:13 PM
They basically are one yr removed from tearing it all down and rebuilding. They don't need to have all the pieces all at once.
They had the 3picks from Denver not including there own. Plus they traded last yrs #1 for a future #1. They still have a ton of picks. And there is a a lot of big men who will be FAs after this season like Dalembert, Swift, Curry, Brown, Chandler. I could see them shipping a pick for picks for one of these guys. E.Griffin is said to be playing great maybe he gets another chance by NJ his home..

Carter is in his prime. Kristic is tall long and plays very aggressive he has a bright future. He had like 13pts 12rebs in 28mins (He was ejected for hitting G.Wallace with an elbow) in his first start. He also had 15pts 4rebs 1blks the night before. What they really need is more depth and an upgrade at center or PF which ever Kristic feels more comfortable at. Plannic is solid though off the bench.

Trading Kidd for Harris & Howard is still a possibility. And since they have Carter they don't lose the market that Kidd brought with him as he was the only player that people really came to see. If they did that without Carter it wouldn't be the same.
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12/22/2004  4:07 PM
I think k-mart for full max money was not going to happen. Also the change of ownership at that time got everyting messed up.

Nets have a bright future, and Thorn is a hell of a GM!

He is heads above Isiah. But he has been at it longer also.

If the nets can construct this thing right in the next two years with the move to brooklyn, and if they should ever win it all, they will own the city. No knick fans can live with that!
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12/22/2004  4:16 PM
Posted by Nalod:

He is heads above Isiah. But he has been at it longer also.

how did you come to that assessment?

remember he had a top 5 player at his position to trade for kidd.

he also had the #1 pick who was hurt with marbury but played his first healthy season after he was traded.

he made a great move in trading eddie griffin for rj and collins but who knew eddie was going to be this problematic. the crazy thing is that over the longhaul, if eddie can stay right, he may end up being better than rj.

he drafted kristic and isiah drafted ariza.

isiah was able to turn absolute garbage + potential in picks/milos/lampe for marbury.

now, thorn did have better assets to work but he made the most of them. isiah pretty much had a bare closet and he's trying to make the most of it.

time will tell so i can't really say thorn is better than isiah.
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12/22/2004  4:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Nalod:

He is heads above Isiah. But he has been at it longer also.

how did you come to that assessment?

remember he had a top 5 player at his position to trade for kidd.

he also had the #1 pick who was hurt with marbury but played his first healthy season after he was traded.

he made a great move in trading eddie griffin for rj and collins but who knew eddie was going to be this problematic. the crazy thing is that over the longhaul, if eddie can stay right, he may end up being better than rj.

he drafted kristic and isiah drafted ariza.

isiah was able to turn absolute garbage + potential in picks/milos/lampe for marbury.

now, thorn did have better assets to work but he made the most of them. isiah pretty much had a bare closet and he's trying to make the most of it.

time will tell so i can't really say thorn is better than isiah.

Typicall intoxicated Kook Aid response!

Come on dude, the nets went to the finals two years in a row, and did pretty good last year! The eddie Griff trade was brilliant regardless of how good Eddie turned out.

He has proven himself with a limited budget, and set himself up nice the next few years. All this with his hands tied with a flakey ownership situation for two years.

Isiah has an unlimited budget, done some nice things on paper, and is very early in his tenure. Im not saying Isiah is not a good GM, but has not acomplished what Thorn did. Thorn also Drafted Jordan!

NOt everything is a slant against isiah! Lets not be so darn sensitive about seeing things only thru blue and orange glasses, sometimes the reality is what it is.

For all we know, Isiah could be constructing the largest and most expensive colossal Phuchup in any sports history! We don't know, but we do know Thorn has a decent resume thus far. What is wrong with giving props to a job done.

If I had my choice of either for 5 years, I would take thorn without even blinking.

In fact, there are GM's quoted in yesterdays papers whom thought Isiah's hiring was rather curious given his background and mixed success in his post playing career.

Like Layden before him, I root for Isiah to be spectacular, but am well aware of his shortcomings!
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12/22/2004  10:30 PM
Did you see how VC on the sideline cheering on his new team inspired guys to step up and beat the CAVS.

I'm telling this guy is gonna make an impact heard around the WORLD!

And to think some here wanted a rucker league player like crawford over him.
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The Carter to NJ move was brilliant for NJ.

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