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BRIGGS
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12/9/2004  1:16 PM
thats good for our up coming game, but does it present an opportunity to go after him? maybe they wont want to pay him? Im sure the Knicks would be willing to give him 10mm per tp play PF, maybe they would take KT Sweetney 3mm and a future pick for Brown and any crp contract?
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12/9/2004  1:22 PM
suspended for what???
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12/9/2004  1:23 PM
Give me one reason why you would want Kwame???? I live in Maryland and I have watched this kid ever since Jordan drafted him. This dude is worthless. Haywood is the type of dude that we need. I wouldn't trade Sweetney for Kwame straight up. Now, if they want to include Jamison in the deal, I would say yeah.
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12/9/2004  1:24 PM
According to sources close to the team, the Washington Wizards have suspended Kwame Brown one game for a dispute with head coach Eddie Jordan during Wednesday's home loss to the Denver Nuggets.

Brown, recently activated from the injured list and working his way back into game shape, entered the game in the second quarter and drew Jordan's ire by failing to carry out defensive assignments. Witnesses said that Brown walked away from an irate Jordan during a timeout, and then refused to rejoin the huddle despite requests from teammates and coaches. Brown remained in the lineup for several more minutes, but was left on the bench throughout the second half.

Brown, who is in the final year of his contract and could become a free agent at season's end, missed the team's first 12 games as he recovered from surgery to repair a broken bone in his right foot.
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12/9/2004  1:32 PM
I think Micheal Jordan destrotyed the kids confidence.

I heard when Jordan was with the wiz , that he continually rode Kwame to a point that Kwame broke down and cried like a baby. Jordan wanted him to play with his own work ethic at 18 with no college experience. Did he have the baskeball drive that Jordan did ? NO

Lot of pressure on you when the "Greatest who ever played" Drafts you #1 and then VERBALLY dogs you out in front of ya teammates reguarly at 18 yrs of age.

I would take him in a heart beat for sweetney.

This I believe is another example of a guy needing a change of scenery.

[Edited by - playa2 on 12/09/2004 13:33:46]
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Posted by diderotn:

Give me one reason why you would want Kwame???? I live in Maryland and I have watched this kid ever since Jordan drafted him. This dude is worthless. Haywood is the type of dude that we need. I wouldn't trade Sweetney for Kwame straight up. Now, if they want to include Jamison in the deal, I would say yeah.

7 foot 260 agile 22 years old with nice ball handling skills, toughness and ready to breakout? he can play PF for us for 10+ years
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by diderotn:

Give me one reason why you would want Kwame???? I live in Maryland and I have watched this kid ever since Jordan drafted him. This dude is worthless. Haywood is the type of dude that we need. I wouldn't trade Sweetney for Kwame straight up. Now, if they want to include Jamison in the deal, I would say yeah.

7 foot 260 agile 22 years old with nice ball handling skills, toughness and ready to breakout? he can play PF for us for 10+ years
Yea Briggs we all remember Jermaine Oneal in Portland at 18 yrs of age.

Both were born in South Carolina Oneal and Kwame.

One advantage J Oneal had that Kwame didn't...Veterans to help steer him the right way.

Who does Kwame have to keep him straight in Washington. Noone bring him to ny for sweets and let AGUIRRE GROW HIM UP.
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12/9/2004  1:45 PM
we now have 2 centers who are not in favor with their coaches:

samuel dalembert
kwame brown

i think isiah really needs to try to get one of these guys now - only problem is that all our chips are pretty much spent this season unless he's willing to part with sweetney or ariza.

kurt & sweetney is alot to give up briggs - especially since you're giving up our best jumpshooting bigman and our best low post player and not really replacing either but i may have to bite to get one of the two above.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12/09/2004 14:04:47]
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12/9/2004  1:57 PM
Be careful with what you wish for. A player with the desire to win would never let embarassment or pressure slow his growth. I know that Jordan is not the easiest person to learn from, but he did the same thing with all of them. Jared Jefferies and Juan Dixon thrived from having Jordan to mentor them. The problem was that Jordan made a mistake by trading for Stackhouse who was not a leader. Stack was brought in to mediate between Jordan and the kids, but failed to do so. Instead he divided whatever little trust there were. The first year that Kwame got drafter, they had a mix of good role players around that also helped Kwame. Popeye Jones, CWhit, and others were there to provide mentorship to Haywood and Kwame. In fact Haywood had his best years playing with that group. Kwame didn't do to bad in that year either. However, once Jordan traded RIP for Stack, all went down the drain. That in my opinion was the mistake that Jordan made. Stack killed the chemistry and all of the foundation that Jordan and coach collins had established. Stop blaming Jordan for what happened with the Wiz. Stack was a snintch, he was playing the youngsters and the owner against Jordan, especially when Jordan decided to start after the Wizz bad start. Trust me I know the story, because I used to follow that sorry a&& franchise.

7 foot 260 agile 22 years old with nice ball handling skills, toughness and ready to breakout? he can play PF for us for 10+ years
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12/9/2004  2:04 PM
I would really give up the boat for Kwame RIGHT now. I would give them whatever they want. I would like to hold onto Ariza (they are loaded at 3 anyway). Any combo of Sweetney, Nazr, KT, future #1's, cash, whatever. They dont have any real bad deals to take back...

If they wanted this year's #1 you (we cant trade the pick) you can still give it too them. Just trade them you 06 and 08 #1's then draft a player and trade his draft rights back for your 06/08 #1's.

Not too much I wouldnt give up for Kwame right now.

I dont know if anyone remembers, but LAST season before the Marbury trade I suggested KT and 3 first round picks for Kwame straight up.
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12/9/2004  2:06 PM
diderotn talks about heart and desire but wants to trade for Vince Carter.
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12/9/2004  2:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

we now have 2 centers who are not in favor with their coaches:

samuel dalembert
kwame brown

i think isiah really needs to try to get one of these guys now - only problem is that all our chips are pretty much spent this season unless he's willing to part with sweetney or ariza.

kurt & sweetney is alot to give up briggs - especially since you're giving up our best jumpshooting bigman and our best low post player and not really replacing either but i may have to bite to get one of the two above.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12/09/2004 14:04:47]

Swift, Dalembert, Chandler, Curry, Brown all FAs come this offseason. KT & Muhammad will both have value at seasons end. TT & Hardaway will both enter there walking yrs. I wouldn't mind going after Mourning right now in the right deal though who would also have good value at season end if he can stay healthy plus help us right now.
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12/9/2004  2:20 PM
HMMM! let me see
vince Carter
CAREER AVERAGES
Rebounds
Year Team MPG FG% 3P% FT% Off Def Tot APG SPG BPG TO A/TO PF PPG
1998-99 TOR 35.2 .450 .288 .761 1.9 3.8 5.7 3.0 1.1 1.5 2.2 1.4 2.8 18.3
1999-00 TOR 38.1 .465 .403 .791 1.8 4.0 5.8 3.9 1.3 1.1 2.2 1.8 3.2 25.7
2000-01 TOR 39.7 .460 .408 .765 2.3 3.2 5.5 3.9 1.5 1.1 2.2 1.7 2.7 27.6
2001-02 TOR 39.8 .428 .387 .798 2.3 2.9 5.2 4.0 1.6 0.7 2.6 1.6 3.2 24.7
2002-03 TOR 34.2 .467 .344 .806 1.4 3.0 4.4 3.3 1.1 1.0 1.7 1.9 2.8 20.6
2003-04 TOR 38.2 .417 .383 .806 1.3 3.5 4.8 4.8 1.2 0.9 3.1 1.6 2.9 22.5
2004-05 TOR 30.4 .411 .322 .694 1.4 1.9 3.3 3.1 1.3 0.8 1.1 2.8 2.8 15.8
Totals 37.5 .446 .383 .783 1.8 3.4 5.2 3.9 1.3 1.0 2.3 1.7 2.9 23.4


Kwame Brown

CAREER AVERAGES
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Year Team MPG FG% 3P% FT% Off Def Tot APG SPG BPG TO A/TO PF PPG
2001-02 WAS 14.3 .387 .000 .707 1.1 2.4 3.5 0.8 0.3 0.5 0.8 1.0 1.8 4.5
2002-03 WAS 22.2 .446 .000 .668 1.6 3.7 5.3 0.7 0.6 1.0 1.4 0.5 2.0 7.4
2003-04 WAS 30.3 .489 .500 .683 2.4 5.0 7.4 1.5 0.9 0.7 1.9 0.8 1.9 10.9
2004-05 WAS 11.5 .667 .000 .500 0.8 0.8 1.5 0.5 0.3 0.0 0.5 1.0 1.3 6.0
Totals 22.7 .457 .167 .679 1.7 3.8 5.5 1.0 0.6 0.7 1.4 0.7 1.9 7.8


How in the hell can you even compare Kwame to Carter? Carter has been a super-star since his arrival in the league.


CAREER TOTALS
Rebounds
Year Team G FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A Off Def Tot Ast Stl Blk TO Pts
2001-02 WAS 57 94-243 0-1 70-99 63 135 198 43 16 26 43 258
2002-03 WAS 80 224-502 0-3 145-217 128 298 426 58 50 80 110 593
2003-04 WAS 74 288-589 1-2 228-334 178 372 550 112 66 52 140 805
2004-05 WAS 4 10-15 0-0 4-8 3 3 6 2 1 0 2 24
Totals 215 616-1349 1-6 447-658 372 808 1180 215 133 158 295 1680


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Posted by fishmike:

diderotn talks about heart and desire but wants to trade for Vince Carter.
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12/9/2004  2:27 PM
rather than puking stats than just show you dont actually watch games and have no idea what your talking about why dont you compare Vince superstar Carter's stats to Jermain Oneil's stats for his first 4 years in the league and get back to me.
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12/9/2004  2:36 PM
How can you compare Jermaine Oneal to Kwame???? Jermaine showed flashes of a guy with a lot of skills and basketball IQ when he was with Portland. I remember in the playoffs versus the Lakers, he did a decent job guarding Shaq as a tweener. Kwame has a big mouth, but doesn't have what it takes to be the type of player that we have to pay $70 to 80 million to. Jermaine had to prove himself before he received that big pay check from Indy. I know that you are a clever guy, why would you want to pay Kwame more than the MLE right now??? what has he done in this league to deserve more than that? Please don't tell me that he 7' tall, because Nazr has been putting up good numbers for us and is collecting less than the MLE.


Posted by fishmike:

rather than puking stats than just show you dont actually watch games and have no idea what your talking about why dont you compare Vince superstar Carter's stats to Jermain Oneil's stats for his first 4 years in the league and get back to me.
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12/9/2004  2:53 PM
he's shown 1000 times more than Jermaine did up until this point... nevermind... somebody tell me why I bothered?
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12/9/2004  3:27 PM
Why is Vince Carter being brought up? Sorry, but I am going after Kwame. Real good things can happen to that young man working under Aguire. Just look at Nazr. Nazr is looking awesome, and he isn't even that talented. Kwame is 10X more talented on both ends. Just imagine him working with Aguire now. If Kwame and Dalembert aren't even on Isiahs radar, then I think he should be fired.
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12/9/2004  3:46 PM
I would take Brown in a second. I agree that Jordan stunted his growth. The man never got to feel that the Wizards were his team. With Jordan around he hogged the spot light away from him and never let him be the man. Thats a fact. Last year Brown out up nice number he needs a change of senery and NY would be the place for him. Remember he is Pat Ewing product. I welcome that.
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12/9/2004  4:50 PM
make the Houston/TT/JYD for Carter/Rose/Woods trade if you can, then try & get Kwame for Sweetney, Moochie, cash & conditional future pick.

C - Nazr / Woods
PF - Kwame / KT / Baker
SF - Carter / Ariza
SG - Crawford / Rose
PG - Marbury / Penny / Brewer
IR - Sundov

this team has some very good trade pieces in it & you'd finally have a franchise young bigman talent you can hope to develop for the future along w/2 legitimate superstar calibre players & another budding star in Crawford...KT, Penny, Nazr, Woods & Ariza make up a good set of role players, & Rose gives you some added offensive punch who can score clutch baskets in big games, albeit he comes w/the baggage of having a bad attitude if he's not getting regular minutes.
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12/9/2004  4:58 PM
Posted by diderotn:

How can you compare Jermaine Oneal to Kwame???? Jermaine showed flashes of a guy with a lot of skills and basketball IQ when he was with Portland. I remember in the playoffs versus the Lakers, he did a decent job guarding Shaq as a tweener. Kwame has a big mouth, but doesn't have what it takes to be the type of player that we have to pay $70 to 80 million to. Jermaine had to prove himself before he received that big pay check from Indy. I know that you are a clever guy, why would you want to pay Kwame more than the MLE right now??? what has he done in this league to deserve more than that? Please don't tell me that he 7' tall, because Nazr has been putting up good numbers for us and is collecting less than the MLE.



#1 Look at the big man teachers J.O'neal had in Portland, R.Wallace, That Lituania dude 7'3 + Brian Grant etc.. ALL VETS WHO PLAYED HIS POSITION.


In washington what Vet did he have to learn the game from who was also playing with him ?
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