If I’m brown I’m head hunting wimby in game 4 put in Mitch or huk, and telling them it’s payback time … crack that dude . Also anytime he jumps for a rebound make sure he’s landing on feet .

That’s 2 flagrants by that punk that didn’t get called the other being when he tossed grand theft to the floor.

It’s time if the refs are going to call the games like they did for the past two let’s make the fouls count …

With that said now that the nba got there wish and extended the series will we see a more balanced officiating..

That’s all I want… a fair called game … so far the officiating hasn’t been fair not even close .

I expect better.

Also I think it’s time to regroup as a team and get back to letting the offense flow through Kat more. Way too much ball pounding by Brunson .

Also why aren’t we picking them up full court like they do to us every time . Let’s make them fight for every shot and every possession.

Nalod wrote:If investigated, who should do it?

I can imagine a government action under some creative theory of fair trade, especially since betting is legal. Consumers expect a fair whistle, not a perfect whistle, but certainly one that is not biased

I can also imagine that draft kings etc in its own self interest could commission an anonymous report from former refs to do something like the L2M but for the full 48 minutes and unlike the L2M (biggest flaw in my opinion) review it in terms of whether the whistle was consistent as opposed to whether a call is technically defensible under the rule book (because under this standard any but the most egregious flubs can be Called a foul but we often complain when there's a touch foul on one end and a non call on the other)

at this point I don't think anyone would accept an internal investigation by the NBA as unbiased.

martin wrote:Investigate a business for leaning into best practices of maximizing revenue and profits?

Interesting

Because of its role in gambling, Congress has a higher interest in maintaining integrity in the underlying product.

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:Investigate a business for leaning into best practices of maximizing revenue and profits?

Interesting

Because of its role in gambling, Congress has a higher interest in maintaining integrity in the underlying product.

even putting aside gambling, the consumer expects a fair whistle, and as a regulated monopoly congress has oversight. Fair whistle doesn't mean a perfect whistle. But an inquiry would look into the league and refs to see if there were any communications or expectations to protect Wemby or extend the series.

the inquiry alone would be awesome and a good reason to throw Silver out

also congressional oversight exists for all sports leagues because they are monopolies. Recall the MLB steroid investigation.

Chandler wrote:

shinmen wrote:The refs have been horrendous this serie.
Wemby is an arrogant classless dirty player (I'm french so I rooted for him to be a good player but I cannot stand the guy now). Between his comments, the non stop flagrant fouls on Reid, Caruso, GTA and Brunson, wemby shows he does not deserve his special treatment from the nba.

The thing is the knicks franchisee does not need to be good to generate money and the nba knows it. Being a popular franchise is actually a disadvantage. Even when the team was a 17 wins team and shved was our best player, MSG was packed and the merchandise was selling.

So the nba has more business interests in pushing their next face of the league.
I do not expect any changes to the officiating and knicks will play 5 on 6 and have to beat the odds.

the NBA would be fools to make Wemby the face of the league and Wemby himself is to blame for this. he's a dirty play. Unfortunately for the NBA, but fortunate for the NBA, they don't control the narrative like they used to. IN prior times they would get Doris or the ESPN crew to fawn over whomever they wanted, but just like fans want an honest whistle, they also want an honest commentary. If they know they're being fed baloney they turn to social media, and social media is going to play dirty Wemby (over many series, not just this one) probably forever -- or at least until the league and he cleans up their act.

And no offense to you or France but France is not a big market and I may be wrong but I get the sense a sizable percentage of Americans don't have high opinions about France more generally -- going back to the way they acted AFTER WW 2 when de Gaulle didn't want France to contribute to Nato military expense but wanted a say so in everything else (not endorsing this view, to Freedom Fries, to current day. I'm not endorsing this view but IMO a realty. Personally, I would put Wemby in the category of close to The Iron Shiek (at least for the time being).

If the NBA were smart (spoiler: they're not) they would start pushing Jalen as the Golden bBoy. he's the little engine who could. He has a great character, says the right stuff, not pompous and more people can related to a 6' guy who got great from working on his game non-stop and not relying on extreme, natural athleticism or height. Add on top of that he didn't take bottom dollar and was more interested in winning. No "The Decision" days; no WWE nicknames like The King, or The Alien.

Was talking to a friend during Game 3. Both of us felt they should put in Huk for a short 5 minute stint for the sole purpose of being an enforcer and putting several extremely hard fouls on Wemby. Just to show that we're not gonna take his ****.

newyorknewyork wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:NBA has always been like this. The anointed poster child and face of the league has a different set of rules and protection. MJ benefited from it and Wemby is benefiting now.

The question I have is why are they forcing his anointing? Jordan at least had to take his lumps for years before getting to that level. And he was more developed as a pure basketball player as a rookie than Wemby is at 22. Wemby will most likely inevitably develop into an unstoppable force with unguardable turn around jumpers etc etc.

What will hold him back(outside of inj) is he is clearly mentally immature. NBA coddling him will only turn that into a bigger issue for the long term. They should be forcing him to mature and develop his game into a player cappable of truly being the face of the league first.

As it stands now their face of the league is being exposed as a dirty, immature, arrogant prick. Which in turn isn't a good look for the NBA brand.

Wemby is the most physically gifted big man since Wilt the stilt. Maybe the most physically and talented player since MJ. League knows that if he stays healthy he may be one of the best of all time. He will probably be the face of the NBA for years to come.
You can add that the league wants a game 7 and come up with several obstacles you have to climb. But it’s nothing other NBA finals teams have not faced in the past.

So let’s stop all this BS about refs, league and preferential treatment for Wemby. It’s all a bunch of excuses losers focus on.
At the end of the day, we were up 7 starting the 3rd quarter. Knicks had an opportunity to execute and go on a run that would essentially guarantee a championship. They didn’t. Threw the ball around and did not score in 4 minutes. Focus should be, and I trust it will be with this team, not on BS like Wemby or Refs but on what they need to do better. Which includes better execution, shot making and playing connected defense. Fuck all the other noise.

Confident they will tonight!!
I see a big win and taking control of the series.

HofstraBBall wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:NBA has always been like this. The anointed poster child and face of the league has a different set of rules and protection. MJ benefited from it and Wemby is benefiting now.

The question I have is why are they forcing his anointing? Jordan at least had to take his lumps for years before getting to that level. And he was more developed as a pure basketball player as a rookie than Wemby is at 22. Wemby will most likely inevitably develop into an unstoppable force with unguardable turn around jumpers etc etc.

What will hold him back(outside of inj) is he is clearly mentally immature. NBA coddling him will only turn that into a bigger issue for the long term. They should be forcing him to mature and develop his game into a player cappable of truly being the face of the league first.

As it stands now their face of the league is being exposed as a dirty, immature, arrogant prick. Which in turn isn't a good look for the NBA brand.

Wemby is the most physically gifted big man since Wilt the stilt. Maybe the most physically and talented player since MJ. League knows that if he stays healthy he may be one of the best of all time. He will probably be the face of the NBA for years to come.
You can add that the league wants a game 7 and come up with several obstacles you have to climb. But it’s nothing other NBA finals teams have not faced in the past.

So let’s stop all this BS about refs, league and preferential treatment for Wemby. It’s all a bunch of excuses losers focus on.
At the end of the day, we were up 7 starting the 3rd quarter. Knicks had an opportunity to execute and go on a run that would essentially guarantee a championship. They didn’t. Threw the ball around and did not score in 4 minutes. Focus should be, and I trust it will be with this team, not on BS like Wemby or Refs but on what they need to do better. Which includes better execution, shot making and playing connected defense. Fuck all the other noise.

Confident they will tonight!!
I see a big win and taking control of the series.

You're merging 2 separate conversations into one.

What I posted about Wemby was getting handed being the face of the league before being mentally mature enough to be that. To the point that the league has to work overtime to cover for his immaturity. Like elbowing Naz Reid almost in the Adams apple because he was mentally frustrated. Or skipping out on a post game press conference due to a loss. NBA avoided truly holding him accountable in either scenario. Not even getting into the stuff he has pulled in games vs OKC or Knicks. This is a slippery slope. I'm questioning the long term ramifications of the NBA feeling they are so weak they need to bend the knee in this manner over pushing Wemby to get his ish together.

All that talent could easily be squandered just the same. And greatness isn't greatness if it needs to be manufactured.

martin wrote:Investigate a business for leaning into best practices of maximizing revenue and profits?

Interesting