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gunsnewing
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12/1/2004  3:58 PM
I think Lenny will start him at SF eventually. Why not our defense can't get any worse! However our offense will be unbelievable! It should make us a better team then we are today. The idea of Jerome starting is scary because he's terrible offensively. We have to be careful not to overrate him. There's a reason why he' been on so many teams. Hopefully we can trade TT for Curry...chicago does nothing but make stupid mistakes so maybe they'll take TT based on "potential" lol
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12/1/2004  4:02 PM
The arguement against Jerome is unnecessary. We would have plenty of scoring options even with him on the floor. Marbury and Craw (don't need to say anything else about them), Kurt in the pick and roll, Nazr down low as of late. A defender may be refreshing in the lineup.

I don't mind seeing Houston at SF for small stretches, but starting there may be too much for me to handle.
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12/1/2004  4:03 PM
but the ball will always find it's way onto Jerome's hands as it did with Shandon
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12/1/2004  4:08 PM
its a little scary unless we are able to play a zone defense and play it well. If we can implement a successfull zone than having Houston at the 3 is good. your going to have an explosive offense and Nazr is proving to be a master at grabbing offensive boards and getting tips to the guards for more bombs to be launched.
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12/1/2004  4:10 PM
I think I'd need to see JYD dribble the ball off his foot before I can accept him being compared to Shandon. Jerome doesn't tend to take many shots, unless he is going at the basket.

But back to Allan (the topic of the thread), I just don't really like him at the 3. He is undersized (so are plenty of other guys playing the 3, but they have speed to makeup for it) and not enough of a rebounder or defender to play the 3 on a consistant basis. I am still inlove with the thought of that Marbury/Crawford/Houston rotation, and would just assume use a combination of TT/Penn/JYD/Ariza at the 3.

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 12/01/2004 16:10:33]
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12/1/2004  4:20 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

but the ball will always find it's way onto Jerome's hands as it did with Shandon

lol.

About Houston starting in place of Timmy.....

I'm all for it. Timmy doesn't drive, rebound, or play defense either.
Houston will at least score. He will score from deep and in the mid range on jumpshots.....that is a weapon all in itself.

imagine.....

Marbs running the break and the defense got back but they forgot about Houston trailing "Bang!" a la Mike Breen.....

Marbs is making a move.....the small forward comes to help.....kick out....."Bang"

Same play instead Craw is making a move the Small fwd remembers Houston is automatic from the outside......so he doesn't help.....Craw drives untouched and does surgery on the defense.....

"Bang Bang my baby shot me down......" a la Kill bill....

What happens to Timmy? Remember the Bucks?
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12/1/2004  4:28 PM
exactly
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12/1/2004  4:36 PM
TT is slowly coming out of his funk...he plays above average defense (raptors) and his shot is beginning to fall. He's getting boards and is coming on.

Houston definitely is a better SF option, but Vinsanity would embarrass him, as would Teyshawn Prince and whoever the Pacers throw at us.

Just be patient with TT and H20 will finish the game at PF. But not start there....we don't want to get any of those guys off early.
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12/1/2004  4:52 PM
Just be patient with TT and H20 will finish the game at PF.

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12/1/2004  5:02 PM
Compare the 2

Houston: Scores, hits the open jumper, consistent from long range, can't rebound can't pass, can't cover anyone but tries

Thomas: Doesn't score, doesn't shoot on a consistent basis, doesn't rebound or pass, doesn't try to defend

anyway you look at it, upgrade...
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12/1/2004  5:04 PM
Posted by MS:

Compare the 2

Houston: Scores, hits the open jumper, consistent from long range, can't rebound can't pass, can't cover anyone but tries

Thomas: Doesn't score, doesn't shoot on a consistent basis, doesn't rebound or pass, doesn't try to defend

anyway you look at it, upgrade...
That's a remarkably short-sighted view. What we really need is to get TT going and get him back to the level he was at last season.
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12/1/2004  5:06 PM
actually i think MS has a point...Houston couldn't be any worse than TT at SF & would likely give you more scoring at the very least.
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12/1/2004  5:11 PM
MS has a very good point...thats exactly what I was trying to say. It can't get any worse starting H20 over TT
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12/1/2004  5:14 PM
Just gonna try and put this in another view.
Would you rather see a Marbs/Craw/Houston 3 guard rotation with Penny playing minutes at backup SF or Marbs/Craw/Penny rotation with Houston playing at the 3?

But of course, this is all perspective. None of us have seen how Allan is looking since the surgery.
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12/2/2004  11:29 AM
It will depend on the matchups. Houston will not start but he would probably get a good amount of mins at SF depending on how TT is doing. If we need another scoring punch or a 3pt threat to beat the Zone and TT is struggling with his shot then Houston will come in. If we need a defensive adjustment then JYD or Ariza will come in.

There is probably about 9 teams we could have a major advantage with Houston at SF.
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12/2/2004  12:44 PM
Well... maybe this isn't saying much, but I think Houston would have done a better job defending Bonzi Wells than Marbury or Crawford.
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12/2/2004  5:13 PM
It's not about who starts. H20 will likely only be good for around 25-30 mins, at most -- and that's if he's really healed. Assuming we want Steph and Craw at around 35 mins each, we've got our 3 man guard rotation. Don't need any of these guys to play the 3. Listen, we have enough trouble defending 2 guards w/ Marbs and Craw combo ... why should we add one more position at which we're undersized?

IMO, Houston will do better with starting lineup, which isn't really a running squad, and Craw will do better with bench, which, if it still includes Ariza, will be able to push. I like the idea of a 2nd unit that comes on with energy and runs at every opportunity. Not sure if H20 fits with this identity.

All of this, of course, goes out the window in those games where nothgin is working. Then, Lenny should mix and match until he finds something that works like all frustrated coaches do ... and should try the 3 guards together.
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12/2/2004  5:41 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

Just gonna try and put this in another view.
Would you rather see a Marbs/Craw/Houston 3 guard rotation with Penny playing minutes at backup SF or Marbs/Craw/Penny rotation with Houston playing at the 3?
Neither! Assuming Houston is healthy, I'd rather see a 3 guard rotation of Marbury, Crawford, and Houston with TT and JYD (depending on who's playing better on any given night) getting minutes at SF. I don't like Penny or Houston at SF. They're bad rebounders (for forwards) and can't defend bigger players. Penny would have to see his playing time reduced. His playing time is less important than winning.
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12/2/2004  6:35 PM
TT's averaging what, 3 rebounds a game? are we really losing that much in that department if we start Houston over him?
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12/2/2004  7:15 PM
Posted by TMS:

TT's averaging what, 3 rebounds a game? are we really losing that much in that department if we start Houston over him?
Yes! No matter how much we want to Bash TT, his 3 or 4 rbs in 25 mpg is A LOT better than Houston's 2 rbs in 40 mpg. The point is to get TT back to where he was last year (about 16 PPG and 5 RPG). The point isn't to obsess over the stats he has at the start of this year.
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