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Now That Everything Is Free In NYC, Should I Move Back?
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11/6/2025  10:32 AM
LOL NYC you are fooked.
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11/6/2025  11:08 AM
Why? I don't get this
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11/6/2025  1:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2025  1:14 PM
Republicans always want to put labels on things because it is easier to dismiss labels than actual ideas. They call the mayor a socialist, but he is not. He wants to make certain public services free. That is not true socialism, and it entirely consistent with our capitalist system. The government gives subsidies to farmers, tax credits for certain things, grants, social security, and other benefits. That is not socialism. We need to stop talking about labels and start debating ideas.
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11/6/2025  1:27 PM
Free buses? Does anyone think this is going to work? Its going to become a homeless shelter on wheels. They tried this in Kansas City. Assaults on drivers increased substantially. Also what they called "endless looping" occurred, where people ( mostly homeless, to keep out of the cold) just rode the buses for hours on end with no endpoint in mind.
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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11/6/2025  1:50 PM
While many pine for "the good old days" perhaps we can almost say the middle class was a 50-60 year thing in our 250 year history?
The Colonies and thru the mid to late 1800's our great growth was in part attributed to our agricultural sector and perhaps Slave labor had much to do with that. In its wake, and following other economies with great natural resources the industrial revolution of the late 1800's and for 100 or so years relied on immigration to fuel its labor needs and with great supply low wages were accepted. In time unionization tames the ravages of pure capitalism to help grow the middle class.
All thru history there was great disparity of wealth in the classes. The monarch/nobles who managed the colonies were the CEO's of the day overseeing the investment of the "New world" and thru taxes/return of investment paid to the English king who granted those opportunities. Plantation owners, and eventual the monopolies of the railroad barons, steel barons, banking barons, manufacturing barons........all created great wealth employing many who came here looking for opportunity that did not exist elsewhere. We all know this story. Many great fortunes and fables of a successful republic and many atrocities committed at the same time.

Our failures? They existed. Many were failed gov't policies that perhaps had good intentions but failed to execute. Again, old stories that both democrats and republicans were guilty of. The Financial crisis of 2008 for example was fueled by policies that home ownership was the path to wealth and prosperity and we relaxed control until it got out of hand.
Our system requires some form of rules and regs.

Its much more complicated that the above for sure but NYC represents perhaps more a very close study in disparity of wealth and perhaps when it leaves a huge gap things happen. Things that change the paradigm. Its been building. The Occupy wall street movement 20 years ago started it. The Financial policy of covid was needed to keep it together. Agree or not but we don't know what would have happened if the massive cash infusion did not occur. And nobody knew how the pandemic would also play out. It was very predictable real estate and equities of (the big got bigger) would benefit. Inflation was inevitable.
Taxing the people (tarifs) and reducing low cost labor by a fearing immigration policy/environment is fueling inflation as well.

People vote on fear and money is a big one. Take out parties, how does a politician really enact price reduction of food? energy? wages? If they do, what is the resulting issue? Trump told you for years he'd do away with "ObamaCare" but has nothing in its place? Said he'd lower the price of food. You listen to his rants, he offered hope but nothing substantial.
In time if he does not help the economy or pricing he too will be gone. My take? He had nothing. Neither did Harris BTW. He has enacted tarifs that are vendettas. They are arguing this in the supreme court this week. Things are building.

Back to NYC. Im not a fan on Mandami. Free transportation and child care? Lets just say that in a free market the issues of affordability is real. When the wealthy and big banks have nobody to maintain the service, provide food, repair, etc....then prices go up. Do real estate taxes in NYC not provide enough subsidiaries to people? If not, raise them. Property owners should pay. Mandami will use some of that to pay for his agenda.
That not socialism, its reality. But wealthy folk don't want to pay. When that happens we getting closer to the tipping point of when **** hits the fan. It starts with A young ideal guy like Mandami, who reminds me of Obama. Charismatic energy with hope. He won't get it done, but old hacks like Cuomo won't either. I don't live in NYC and its not my fight. I do feel for those being squeezed out. My great grandparents were squeezed by Pogroms in Ukrane/Russia 140 years ago and came here. We not there yet but scapegoats are always a thing in history. This democracy makes great strides then takes steps back. It takes pain to make progress and how this onfolds is

Bottom line? All great systems of economics have disenfranchised and while it sucks, the powers that be are not there for you but to give you hope. This country like many is a tough place and we like to think we above it. We are not. Gov't is not here to make it nice. I don't know when the next big shift takes place and AI will be part of a new era. Those that can leverage it will succeed. Those that can't won't. We need to pay to take care of the disenfranchised. There is a mean spirted and historically redundancy to blame them for problems. When we lose our compassion and tolerance we will fail. Not just in the USA, anywhere.

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11/6/2025  4:37 PM
I’m waiting to see what changes he will make to the police force. I’m worried for the safety of my daughter who still lives there
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11/6/2025  5:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2025  5:16 PM
Rookie wrote:I’m waiting to see what changes he will make to the police force. I’m worried for the safety of my daughter who still lives there

What Democrats don't want police ? The City has more then enough cops because progressive people love cops and pay them well with great benefits. I have tons of cops in my family, I am not anti Cpp. However, to make a safe city you need more then cops. You need a policy of community enforcement that stresses quality of life. I'm many ways NYC cops are aloof impossible to reach. You can't call a precinct anymore it's 311 system. I live in the Bronx and my daughter works in the Bronx. There is risk everywhere even where you live. I don't own a weapon and have lived peacefully my whole life in NYC.I didn't vote for Momdani but I doubt he will be the ruin of the City. That's some Fox narrative. You need jobs !

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11/7/2025  8:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2025  8:35 AM
This election had the highest turnout since the 60s so the new mayor has a lot of support.

I don't really get what is so scary about the three major proposals he has been talking about:
1. Free Buses - anytime you increase mobility of citizens it has a positive economic output.
2. City run Grocery stores for low-income neighborhoods to address food affordability
3. Rent Freeze - Was done before my several mayors
4. Police - He already stated he would like to keep existing commissioner in place if she accepts the job. Doesn't sound like someone looking to make big changes to how NY is kept safe currently.

Although I don't benefit from any of these proposals I am happy to see a politician trying to do something for the people instead of the donors.

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11/7/2025  9:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2025  9:01 AM
nyvector16 wrote:This election had the highest turnout since the 60s so the new mayor has a lot of support.

I don't really get what is so scary about the three major proposals he has been talking about:
1. Free Buses - anytime you increase mobility of citizens it has a positive economic output.
2. City run Grocery stores for low-income neighborhoods to address food affordability
3. Rent Freeze - Was done before my several mayors
4. Police - He already stated he would like to keep existing commissioner in place if she accepts the job. Doesn't sound like someone looking to make big changes to how NY is kept safe currently.

Although I don't benefit from any of these proposals I am happy to see a politician trying to do something for the people instead of the donors.

they are good ideas on the surface, but like anything else, can come with unintended consequences. And of course someone has to pay for all this.

free buses - how do you make them safe and make sure homeless don't start camping out in them? unfortunately FREE almost always means the worst people will take advantage.

grocery, no idea how that would work TBH.

rent freeze, most landlords aren't rich contrary to belief, I was a landlord when I was younger. if you are freezing rents are you freezing property and utility/maintenance costs as well or are you expecting evil landlords to eat it?

police - NYC needs more, so I hope there's no more defund the police nonsense.

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11/7/2025  9:26 AM
nycericanguy wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:This election had the highest turnout since the 60s so the new mayor has a lot of support.

I don't really get what is so scary about the three major proposals he has been talking about:
1. Free Buses - anytime you increase mobility of citizens it has a positive economic output.
2. City run Grocery stores for low-income neighborhoods to address food affordability
3. Rent Freeze - Was done before my several mayors
4. Police - He already stated he would like to keep existing commissioner in place if she accepts the job. Doesn't sound like someone looking to make big changes to how NY is kept safe currently.

Although I don't benefit from any of these proposals I am happy to see a politician trying to do something for the people instead of the donors.

they are good ideas on the surface, but like anything else, can come with unintended consequences. And of course someone has to pay for all this.

free buses - how do you make them safe and make sure homeless don't start camping out in them? unfortunately FREE almost always means the worst people will take advantage.

grocery, no idea how that would work TBH.

rent freeze, most landlords aren't rich contrary to belief, I was a landlord when I was younger. if you are freezing rents are you freezing property and utility/maintenance costs as well or are you expecting evil landlords to eat it?

police - NYC needs more, so I hope there's no more defund the police nonsense.


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What we are talking about are crumbs in the economy. We lose our minds when we mention something costs 2Billion but then we give Argentina 40Billion just because their president has the same political ideology as our current President.

The name of the game is show outrage over every little thing that actually benefits a portion of the population, but totally overlook much larger numbers that go to the ultra Rich.

As example, the "big beautiful bill" gave the top 1Trillion in tax cuts and decimated healthcare, which then caused the shutdown fight currently underway.

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11/7/2025  9:32 AM
nyvector16 wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:
nyvector16 wrote:This election had the highest turnout since the 60s so the new mayor has a lot of support.

I don't really get what is so scary about the three major proposals he has been talking about:
1. Free Buses - anytime you increase mobility of citizens it has a positive economic output.
2. City run Grocery stores for low-income neighborhoods to address food affordability
3. Rent Freeze - Was done before my several mayors
4. Police - He already stated he would like to keep existing commissioner in place if she accepts the job. Doesn't sound like someone looking to make big changes to how NY is kept safe currently.

Although I don't benefit from any of these proposals I am happy to see a politician trying to do something for the people instead of the donors.

they are good ideas on the surface, but like anything else, can come with unintended consequences. And of course someone has to pay for all this.

free buses - how do you make them safe and make sure homeless don't start camping out in them? unfortunately FREE almost always means the worst people will take advantage.

grocery, no idea how that would work TBH.

rent freeze, most landlords aren't rich contrary to belief, I was a landlord when I was younger. if you are freezing rents are you freezing property and utility/maintenance costs as well or are you expecting evil landlords to eat it?

police - NYC needs more, so I hope there's no more defund the police nonsense.


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What we are talking about are crumbs in the economy. We lose our minds when we mention something costs 2Billion but then we give Argentina 40Billion just because their president has the same political ideology as our current President.

The name of the game is show outrage over every little thing that actually benefits a portion of the population, but totally overlook much larger numbers that go to the ultra Rich.

As example, the "big beautiful bill" gave the top 1Trillion in tax cuts and decimated healthcare, which then caused the shutdown fight currently underway.

It might be crumbs but people don't like higher taxes and NYC already imposes an additional 4% city tax.

healthcare has been decimated for a long time. The only thing keeping it even somewhat affordable was COVID subsidies. A system reliant on govt subsidies that aren't even relevant anymore was never going to succeed. It's not like they kept costs down either, Obamacare was going up at a rate far outpacing inflation for over a decade.

I'm not going to pretend to know the answer, but something needs to change and everyone needs to stop pointing fingers. Healthcare is an absolute disaster.

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11/7/2025  9:36 AM
The answer to healthcare is single-payer... But the same forces that have such outrage over helping people and the codenamed "woke" for anything that resembles empathy are the same forces that fought the public-option when Affordable Care Act was being legislated. That was the price-control portion of that bill.
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11/7/2025  3:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2025  3:42 PM
martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

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11/7/2025  3:43 PM
nyvector16 wrote:The answer to healthcare is single-payer... But the same forces that have such outrage over helping people and the codenamed "woke" for anything that resembles empathy are the same forces that fought the public-option when Affordable Care Act was being legislated. That was the price-control portion of that bill.

I’ve had private health insurance and I’ve had Tricare through the military and VA healthcare. I wouldn’t trade government provided healthcare for crappy expensive private insurance ever. It stinks.

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11/7/2025  3:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2025  3:46 PM
nyvector16 wrote:This election had the highest turnout since the 60s so the new mayor has a lot of support.

I don't really get what is so scary about the three major proposals he has been talking about:
1. Free Buses - anytime you increase mobility of citizens it has a positive economic output.
2. City run Grocery stores for low-income neighborhoods to address food affordability
3. Rent Freeze - Was done before my several mayors
4. Police - He already stated he would like to keep existing commissioner in place if she accepts the job. Doesn't sound like someone looking to make big changes to how NY is kept safe currently.

Although I don't benefit from any of these proposals I am happy to see a politician trying to do something for the people instead of the donors.

City run grocery stores is not a radical policy position at all. The federal government already operates hundreds of supermarkets all throughout the entire world with DECA. There are already 5 of these government run supermarkets in NY state. Their groceries are mostly cheaper than even Walmart.


Trump is hurrying suddenly to privatize DECA because he doesn’t want to be asked next 3 years why Mamdani’s policy proposal is so radical left wing when his Defense Department already is doing the exact same policy on a far larger scale.

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11/7/2025  4:16 PM
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

You’re a dick

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11/7/2025  4:45 PM
lol at the MAGA tilt.
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11/7/2025  7:31 PM
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

Who also is a raging ant-semite

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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11/7/2025  8:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2025  8:09 PM
its crazy how so many of us have been programmed to get triggered by even having a discussion. end of day we all want the same I think, for everyone and our country to prosper.
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11/8/2025  8:57 AM
BigRedDog wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
martin wrote:Why? I don't get this

NY elected a Muslim person so Op is triggered

Who also is a raging ant-semite

No he’s not

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