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10/17/2025  1:02 PM
Like I said in one of the preseason game threads, we can talk pace all preseason long but we don't have the personnel to execute that plan. It was the same last year and the year before.
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10/17/2025  1:08 PM
it's the same as saying every year that we want to shoot more 3's but we average 22% from the 3 pt line as a team. It doesn't matter how many Allstars you have on a team, if you shoot 40-50 3's a game and miss them you are always going to be playing from behind and you are going to lose a lot of games.

We are a half court team, it's in our DNA
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10/17/2025  1:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2025  1:29 PM
How we do that when there is just 30 teams?

I don't doubt we at or near the bottom though. Did Brown say he wanted us to improve our pace? Or finish in the top 3rd?
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10/17/2025  1:29 PM
Nalod wrote:How we do that when there is just 30 teams?

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10/17/2025  1:32 PM
We have a “Fire Brown!” thread, right?

We should probably sticky that.

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10/17/2025  1:36 PM
Nalod wrote:How we do that when there is just 30 teams?

I don't doubt we at or near the bottom though. Did Brown say he wanted us to improve our pace? Or finish in the top 3rd?

nothing to see here, please carry on
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10/18/2025  8:40 AM
Pretty sure,and the announcers actually confirmed it during the Hornets game, that the speed which was talked about as a plan for this season refers not so much to the running and gunning. It's more about making quick decisions when you have the ball. In a second or two you gotta either shoot, drive or pass. ( "Spray" is what Mike Brown calls it when kicking the ball out to a player behind the 3 ball line)
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10/19/2025  8:58 AM
We have a half court offensive roster. JB is more similar to Baron Davis than Jason Kidd. This isn’t hard.
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10/19/2025  10:20 AM
Philc1 wrote:We have a half court offensive roster. JB is more similar to Baron Davis than Jason Kidd. This isn’t hard.


I really enjoyed the Charlotte game. We inserted two young super athletic freaks into the SL and the energy was crazy. The ball was flying around, players were cutting, its exciting basketball even for a meaningless game.
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10/19/2025  10:24 AM
Philc1 wrote:We have a half court offensive roster. JB is more similar to Baron Davis than Jason Kidd. This isn’t hard.

It is for you.
It was just explained the post before. If you don't agree, then explain yourself.

As for Kidd or Davis? Davis avg'd 2 more assists per game than Jalen. 7 vs. 5. Kidd avg 8.
Steals? Kidd and Davis about the same, and one more per than Brunson.
3pt? Jalen far better than either. Kidd avg's uneven,, he got much better as he aged. Davis in a different era was never that. .320 career.

What is not hard? Brown pretty much implying less iso and move the ball.
Thats not "never iso" Btw.
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Philc1 wrote:We have a half court offensive roster. JB is more similar to Baron Davis than Jason Kidd. This isn’t hard.


I really enjoyed the Charlotte game. We inserted two young super athletic freaks into the SL and the energy was crazy. The ball was flying around, players were cutting, its exciting basketball even for a meaningless game.

Charlotte missing Ball and Miller gave it a very different look. More of a scrimmage and tryout for both teams that almost seemed to concert so fans were not totally screwed. It was rather entertaining.

Dia has a bit more to show vs starter quality players but at 20 years old he has pro experience and that Siakim/Olidipo lanky build that can develop. I hope we can maintain him and Dadiet in the pipeline and still contend.

The ball movement by the bench players was telling to what Brown is tryitng to do.
Josh hart will be fine in browns system as he moves great without the ball. Issue will be confidence in his shot which is erratic. That finger is a concern.

I don't expect great things from team to start the season but that don't mean it can't happen. Brown came to a team with a core in place and elevate off Thibs work. That takes time and the margin to go from good to great is not much but its really the toughest part to execute.
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10/21/2025  10:37 AM
Celtics were bottom 5 in pace last year with a historic offense. A Brunson led team shouldn't be a fast break team. Even moreso with KAT in the mix. The success of the offense is not going to be determined by pace.
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10/21/2025  10:41 AM
DLeethal wrote:Celtics were bottom 5 in pace last year with a historic offense. A Brunson led team shouldn't be a fast break team. Even moreso with KAT in the mix. The success of the offense is not going to be determined by pace.

Defending the 3 should be a priority, but I haven't heard anything about defense this preseason. A lot of Boston's success came down to not just shooting, but making 3's. We are not a good 3 pt shooting team but we do have flashes when players get hot from deep. I can't wait for the games to start.
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10/21/2025  2:10 PM
KAT was 2nd leading rebounder and a good outlet passer. Mikal and Josh are runners.
Josh also a good one and his coast to cost drives are effective.
Issue of slogging down is Mitch with KAT and yes, Jalen is no fast break guy.
Yes, pace is also about defense and if your playing a fast team both teams can gain it.
BUt Brown was talking about not more running, but faster decisions.

I think this what might be tripping up KAT in his pressor statement. Driving to the basket is a big part of his game and unless he gets it down hill, its not a fast progression.
I think he has to see the cutters better/faster or go to the rim. If he don't shoot right away he likes to draw the defender in and then drive past. Its why they used smaller players on him. Brown might be trying to help this but it takes time to execute.
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10/21/2025  2:34 PM
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:How we do that when there is just 30 teams?

We're that slow.
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10/21/2025  2:36 PM
If we are starting Mitch we aren't winning ANY pace awards --- not even close to top 10.

Start someone else and maybe you can ratchet pace into top 5 or 10 but the D, rebounding, rim protection going to probably tank.

It's a tough task getting this particular group (Yabu at +280 doesn't help) to turn into mid 80's showtime lakers.
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10/22/2025  6:48 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:How we do that when there is just 30 teams?

We're that slow.

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10/22/2025  8:21 AM
Brown wanting to push this is a bad sign to me. We are a big half court team. Look at the roster. Go win like a big half court team. Play defense and run plays.
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10/23/2025  8:49 AM
Guys raw pace can be a flawed metric. What need to see is:

a) are we getting shots up earlier in the clock
b) are those looks easier looks than what we'd get late in the clock
c) are we taking those catch and shoot opportunities or are we passing them up
d) are we probing the defense and forcing them to re-set or not stay set
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10/23/2025  5:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/23/2025  5:04 PM
fishmike wrote:Brown wanting to push this is a bad sign to me. We are a big half court team. Look at the roster. Go win like a big half court team. Play defense and run plays.

What about the new Indy approach of fielding like 11 players and guys running and staying fresh. Besides, once your initial attack fails you have no choice but to resort to half court offense anyway. So we will still be seeing plenty of it. In addition to the easy points. I really love it. We just outscored the number one offense last year in Cavs? I thought I heard a reporter say that is what they were.

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