Rookie wrote:I say no way he takes a team friendly deal like Brunson and OG did. Only question here is if a max extension is even on the table - 4 years 181.5M

LivingLegend wrote:https://tommybeer.substack.com/p/what-to-do-with-julius

Not much of a Beer fan outside his random stats tweets, so would appreciate if you could paraphrase his article.

He’s a top 3 Knick in the past 30 years.

He turned this ****/ship around.

I might not make the best president/GM.

ToddTT wrote:I give Randle a blank check.

He’s a top 3 Knick in the past 30 years.

He turned this ****/ship around.

I might not make the best president/GM.

I give Thibs and JB far more credit and I also may not make a the best president/gm

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At this point, he is better or at least on the same level as George.

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ToddTT wrote:And I expect more assists in the next two years.

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Those are simply high usage #s - not knocking them but there is little context behind them.

Knick greats over the years (Clyde, Bernard, Spree, Brunson) are considered great because they elevated their games in the playoffs. Julius other the other hand has shat the bed.

Over the past 40 years 573 players have started at least 15 playoff games. Of those 573 players Julius Randle is the ONLY player to shoot <35% from the floor and <30% from 3.

Since 1970 (54 years) all players that have attempted at least 16 FG per game in playoffs have shot +40% - except only Julius Randle who has shot (34%)

Julius is only 2nd player in entire NBA history to attempt more than 14 shots per game in playoffs and shoot <38% FG, <26% 3FG and <71% FT.

In the 2023 playoffs over 10 games he avg 3.6 assists but 3.5 TO’s. Over 15 playoff games for his career he has more TOs than assists.

His overall counting stats decline at historical levels in the playoffs vs regular season. In 2023 Julius became the first player in NBA history to avg >25 PPG in regular season and <17 PPG in playoffs.

He’s an interesting player - for sure.

Do not think anyone will disagree with you in terms of his poor past playoff production.
What some will argue is how you skim over the fact he has been a consistent high tier producer.
Which as post above shows, is pretty high level regardless of his usage.
Just seems like you favor his poor usage stats (despite the low level roster the first couple of years with Knicks) and how he played on one foot in his last playoff year and last year with one foot over them. Btw, Do agree that he played bad vs Hawks, pressed and made bad decisions. (We will leave out how Atlanta doubled and tripled him due to having that low level roster mentioned above)

But given his production, multiple All Star appearances, being a key piece in turning franchise around and giving Knicks a team friendly deal the first time around (yep, JB was not the first) , what would you say is a fair contract? Or are you one of those fans that just wants him gone at any expense? If he is to be traded, Who would you replace him with?

ToddTT wrote:Calling it. Randle signs for max money today. 99% of NY embraces him fully... next June.

5% chance he gives the Knicks a discount... and converts 25% of his haters.

It’s tough call.
People already expect him to take a second discount.
Same people that would expect Knicks to pay JB the max, on his next deal, if he continued to produce and because he took less his first go around.

Believe Randle should be at $45 a year. (Second discount)!Given OGs deal.
Believe Randle wants to stay and would take it.
Question is if Knicks can afford it and feel he is worth it.
Media seems to point to some in FO having same mindset as some on here regarding his worth.
Seems like Knicks have made a commitment to JB and a fast paced game with high energy wings around him. Can’t say thats bad thinking despite how I feel Randle is underrated by the fan base. And the fact we all saw that we needed another high level creator in the Indiana series. And no, I don’t think Bridges or OG is that. We saw how Knicks were able to shut down Nets/Bridges by giving him a little extra attention.

At the end of the day I trust this FO. (Don’t trust Mitch’s or OG’s durability though). Feel regardless of what they do with Randle, the future is bright! Appreciate Randle for being a part of creating that.