In prostitution either party rarely files a complaint but it is prosecuted all the time.

I'm not sure how many history buffs are here but a lot of this reminds me of the fall of the Roman Republic. Of course the remaining sources mostly draw from the Caesarean camp, but it would be hard to argue that the Optimates insistence on prosecuting Caesar for his violations of Roman law while Consul didn't play a major role in his decision to set up a dictatorship. If your choices are dictatorship or exile, isn't it the rational choice to seize extra Constitutional power? Especially if the charges are considered spurious by most citizens?

Does anybody else click on threads so they don't show up as unread? Stupid OCD!

The best politics threads are those telling people to vote. Get off of your couch and vote. Together we can elect the least-worst candidates!!!

Carry on.

gradyandrew wrote:Neither the prostitution or speeding analogy are really working for me. At the end of the day the banks accepted Trump's valuations. Interest charged on a loan is up to the loaning party themselves. I don't think an outside party has the right to determine the rates charged.

I buy a sweater at full price and then later in the day you get the same one at half off. I, you, and the store are all satisfied. The government can't come in and sue on my behalf that I got defrauded by paying more for the sweater, can they? Was I defrauded by the store for paying $100 for a $50 sweater?

You keep missing the same point. Selling a sweater at any price is not illegal.
Lying to a banking institution, Aka committing fraud, is.

The banks money that was lent to Trump, at a lower interest rate, is who's money?
Not the banks right?
So the people's money has to be protected.
If Trumps investments went South because of his fraud, who would be left holding the bag when the bank goes under? That is why the government carefully oversees any banking institutions and frowns upon guys like Trump lying so he can save a few hundred million in interest.
So not the same in the sweater analogy.

blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:First, the caveats:

1. Forgot where we landed on 'political talk,' if I'm overstepping the boundaries just shut it down.

2. Trump is a fraudster. Trump University was a hoax.

3. No doubt that Trump inflated the value of his properties.

BUT, my big issue is the government bringing the case in the first place. I really don't like the idea of prosecutors having the right to enter a civil contract without either of the parties to the contract bringing suit. It just seems to open the bag to way too much government interference in private life. Any legal eagles know if this is already something government does regularly or has done before?

Committing bank fraud is illegal.
Isn't a DA's job to prosecute illegal acts?
Regardless if the victim initiates any legal action.

Maybe relating it to other illegal acts in which the "government" is responsible for enforcing laws and regulations. Should a police officer stop cars breaking speeding ordinances? Or just they wait until the speeder causes an accident and the victim files a complaint?

Trump reminds me of a husband who is a pathological liar and constantly cheats. Which he is.
And Trump followers are the gullible wife living in denial.
He gets caught cheating but once again tells his wife he has not done anything wrong and that everyone that saw him with another woman is crazy and just lying. And despite it happening over and over again the wife keeps taking him back.

It's a sad time in our country when a figure who preaches hate and discrimination is so popular.
Which is exactly what I knew would happen when he was elected.

No what’s sad are people who are in denial that this country was built on hate, murder, rape (by the very same immigrants politicians are now trying to keep out) and 400 years discrimination, bigotry and racism. If you look at the very history of America, Trump looks like a saint.

Trump is a pawn in a system that controls him and this demonic construct we see everyday. Americans love gangsters and thugs because that’s who stole this country. So nothing 45 does should surprise anybody.

As many of your posts, you seem to like arguing with yourself by making up extrapolated narratives.
Said it's a sad time. You agreed but disagreed in your response? Did I say it never happened before?

Disagree that this country was built on hate, murder and rape. You must be in the wrong country. This country was built on hard work, sacrifice, initiative and education despite all the hate, murder and rape.
Lots of horrible things happen throughout the worlds History. Not just in the US. The US has always been closest, not perfect, to keeping the balance of good people fighting for equal rights over those promoting hate and discrimination. Still obvious we have a long way to go and maybe an impossible endeavor.

HofstraBBall wrote:

ToddTT wrote:We should have a separate politics forum that I can ignore the everliving **** out of.

Does anybody else click on threads so they don't show up as unread? Stupid OCD!

The best politics threads are those telling people to vote. Get off of your couch and vote. Together we can elect the least-worst candidates!!!

Carry on.

You know what this thread needs............?

Oh! I know!!! One sec...

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:First, the caveats:

1. Forgot where we landed on 'political talk,' if I'm overstepping the boundaries just shut it down.

2. Trump is a fraudster. Trump University was a hoax.

3. No doubt that Trump inflated the value of his properties.

BUT, my big issue is the government bringing the case in the first place. I really don't like the idea of prosecutors having the right to enter a civil contract without either of the parties to the contract bringing suit. It just seems to open the bag to way too much government interference in private life. Any legal eagles know if this is already something government does regularly or has done before?

Committing bank fraud is illegal.
Isn't a DA's job to prosecute illegal acts?
Regardless if the victim initiates any legal action.

Maybe relating it to other illegal acts in which the "government" is responsible for enforcing laws and regulations. Should a police officer stop cars breaking speeding ordinances? Or just they wait until the speeder causes an accident and the victim files a complaint?

Trump reminds me of a husband who is a pathological liar and constantly cheats. Which he is.
And Trump followers are the gullible wife living in denial.
He gets caught cheating but once again tells his wife he has not done anything wrong and that everyone that saw him with another woman is crazy and just lying. And despite it happening over and over again the wife keeps taking him back.

It's a sad time in our country when a figure who preaches hate and discrimination is so popular.
Which is exactly what I knew would happen when he was elected.

No what’s sad are people who are in denial that this country was built on hate, murder, rape (by the very same immigrants politicians are now trying to keep out) and 400 years discrimination, bigotry and racism. If you look at the very history of America, Trump looks like a saint.

Trump is a pawn in a system that controls him and this demonic construct we see everyday. Americans love gangsters and thugs because that’s who stole this country. So nothing 45 does should surprise anybody.

As many of your posts, you seem to like arguing with yourself by making up extrapolated narratives.
Said it's a sad time. You agreed but disagreed in your response? Did I say it never happened before?

Disagree that this country was built on hate, murder and rape. You must be in the wrong country. This country was built on hard work, sacrifice, initiative and education despite all the hate, murder and rape.
Lots of horrible things happen throughout the worlds History. Not just in the US. The US has always been closest, not perfect, to keeping the balance of good people fighting for equal rights over those promoting hate and discrimination. Still obvious we have a long way to go and maybe an impossible endeavor.

It’s sad that you’re stuck on the surface (Trump) instead of the soil he came out of (The System). Once you understand world history, nothing he’s doing surprises me. He represents the voices inside of more than half this country. Especially his supporters who are filled with the same ignorance. The problem is you take any response to a broad yet popular post YOU CREATED, and direct all that energy into you. It’s an open forum don’t forget that.

Not sure what I disagreed with. If anything I doubled down and described how this very soil created this guy. And why he’s allowed to be a thug and get away with it. And not just get away with it, but he’s going to be the next president again. That’s the real issue. The longer we ignore that, the more trump-etts will continue to appear in different forms of energy.

“Sincere Ignorance and Consciousness Stupidity”