Panos wrote:Personally, I think Quickley should be the starting 2 guard. He is the most effective and diverse player of the three players. He and Brunson can share distributing and scoring duties.
But that makes a mess of the situation with players behind him, unless one of them is on the move to another team. I still think a consolidation trade is needed.

Grimes size makes him more prototypical at the 2 but your points are valid.
IQ can be extended until game 1? This correct?
Seems that DDV signing points to a trade. Im not against giving Evan another crack at the rotation off the bench if he can earn it and hold it.

Panos wrote:Personally, I think Quickley should be the starting 2 guard. He is the most effective and diverse player of the three players. He and Brunson can share distributing and scoring duties.
But that makes a mess of the situation with players behind him, unless one of them is on the move to another team. I still think a consolidation trade is needed.
That said, I doubt that will be the case. I'll be honest and say I haven't seen much of DDV play, so I look forward to that and adjusting my opinions...

I agree. I think Quickley functions much better when he is sharing ball-handling responsibilities. I also think the starting 5s biggest weaknesses are a lack of pace and how predictable they can be on offense. Q really helps with both these issues. They lose a little in terms of spacing and Grimes is a better on-ball defender but on paper Q is the best choice IMO. I don't think Thibs sees it that way so I expect/hope it's Grimes. I think he is the best POA defender, brings needed spacing, and has a lot more room for growth than DDV

Panos wrote:Personally, I think Quickley should be the starting 2 guard. He is the most effective and diverse player of the three players. He and Brunson can share distributing and scoring duties.
But that makes a mess of the situation with players behind him, unless one of them is on the move to another team. I still think a consolidation trade is needed.
That said, I doubt that will be the case. I'll be honest and say I haven't seen much of DDV play, so I look forward to that and adjusting my opinions...

Pretty much with you on all points - Quick was the third best player on this team (postseason not withstanding ). I advocated for him in the SL starting last season, and will continue to do so this year...man is definitely deserving of a starting role!

I don't expect that will happen though - partly due to balancing the bench as you mentioned - but mostly because the unit did look good last year with Grimes in the role. As deserving as Quick is of the spot, I think it's Grimes' to lose at this point.

Consolidation seems inevitable. IQ definitely isn't untouchable...but I'm looking at all other options before I include him in any move. Hope he stays a Knick for a long time...

Not to trigger a certain Mod, but it would be nice to see Grimes play some backup PG at times. If IQ becomes a starter, Grimes could still have a role on the team. And he's on his rookie deal.

IQ has been given an opportunity to play PG and SG. Learned to play those roles well. I dont see a good reason why Q shouldnt be given the same opportunity. Played PG in high school. There is some experience that can be tapped into, if Grimes doesnt look to be consistent enough as a starter

This could a cap saving move. Not having to decide between the two.

PassTheBall wrote:This team doesn’t do drama anymore. The spot is grimes to lose and I don’t see him losing it.

You nailed it

PassTheBall wrote:This team doesn’t do drama anymore. The spot is grimes to lose and I don’t see him losing it.

The team still has drama, but its with a small d instead of a capital D. Which is what a normal team has.

If I could put a number on it, I'd guess that Grimes is about 85 percent there as a starter. IQ, in the low to mid 90s.

I hope Grimes puts it together this season. Having IQ and Grimes consistently playing like starters gives us more flexibility, more options. Especially with our stash of draft picks.

GustavBahler wrote:Started a thread early last season about starting IQ, wasn't well received. Unless Grimes comes back with a midrange game, a floater, still feel that way.

Not to trigger a certain Mod, but it would be nice to see Grimes play some backup PG at times. If IQ becomes a starter, Grimes could still have a role on the team. And he's on his rookie deal.

IQ has been given an opportunity to play PG and SG. Learned to play those roles well. I dont see a good reason why Q shouldnt be given the same opportunity. Played PG in high school. There is some experience that can be tapped into, if Grimes doesnt look to be consistent enough as a starter

This could a cap saving move. Not having to decide between the two.

You may want to ask yourself why those things that you may think are good ideas don’t come to fruition.

After that, there is not much to add.

A large majority of Analysists think Grimes is going to have a breakout season.
Only way I see them keeping both is with Knicks making the Finals.

Parity will reign in this era and having cap space and cap flex, including players on tradable contracts can propel the team nicely.
The concept is there, but execution is another.

Today the clickbait has "Are Knicks the mystery team for Dame"? The thought is using RJ or Brunson as core piece.
Why its dumb: They have scoot and just resigned Grant.
I don't know what Portland is looking for but I'd guess its not a redundant piece.