GustavBahler wrote:I just remember the contract. That and Eisley's. Layden taking on that contract, his roster decisions because of his Utah connection, puts him in the Knicks GM hall of shame. Worst time for me to be a Knicks fan. And the franchise has had its share of rough patches. Why I dont like to see a GM go too far on that route. Hasnt really worked for us in the past.

Edit: "Worst time" includes the Isiah years as well.

Agree with Scott Layden.
I disagree with Isiah. Yes he had his court issues and things outside of work. But I thought his eye for talent was good, especially wing players. But with Leon has that others didn't have or refuse to use it, thats Patients. This is what I respect about Leon. IT APPEARS he moves to his own drum, regardless of any outside or inside noise.

They did not take the next step up. Had they it would have been great. They did not suck, they just did not fill the role as hoped.

So many bad things went wrong in that era its mind-boggling.
Layden era started when JVG got extended and while that team made finals Camby fell apart emotionally, H20 Knee’s started getting balky and Dolan (kept his promise to pay him) when he opted out. Spree honeymoon was over and the next year team exited early. JVG left for a reason.

Was all of this “Laydens fault”. Of course he gets some blame.
Then, there was the Ewing trade. A trade that went bad for EVERYONE!!!!
And there was Dolan flirting with Vince Baker and demanding a starphuch to fill the sleepy MSG and enter Dyce.
So many things went wrong. Dice was amazing and it was his good knee that blew out!
WHose the boss? Layden or the owner?
Knicks sucked in part letting bad contracts expire and not trading picks as they did.
Rumored Layden was very much against the Marbury trade. It was on his desk. It was the first thing Isiah did. Remember, Dolan wanted Magic Johnson to run knicks. That was a bad idea too, Magic said no and recommended ISiah who was run out of toronto and ****ed over the Continental Basketball League and its owners.

Layden sucked for many reasons but there is context. Isiah was on two contracts and at one time knicks cap was 40% higher than the number two team Blazers.

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Philc1 wrote:Shanderson would suck in any era. God those days were depressing.

Maybe in the 40s and 50s when NBA players were not the same level of professional athlete.

But thank you- he sucked then, he would suck even worse because you need guys to do more on offense than you used to.

Would he be a Josh Okogie type?

How about Nate?
Or Hubert Davis?

Panos wrote:Or Doug Christie?

Lets redo Melo, then more Tony Wroten.

Nalod wrote:Summertime to dig up old grievance plaers.
Howard Eisley?
Gerald Wilkens never became his brother.
save obi as the new Kenny "Sky" Walker for future.

Too much fun enjoying this team then digging up old Starphuchs.

88/89 Wilkens. He had a great career in his own right- and for a second rounder.

Rick Pitino and the bomb squad - years before MDA and the analytics that have teams shooting 30+ 3pters in a game.

That was a fun season to be a knick fan. Early Ewing. Eddie Lee Wilkins! Mark Jackson.