So, I would be down with a straight up youth for experience trade at most. No picks or any other goodies for NOP.

ESOMKnicks wrote:I think RJ will become as good as Ingram in 1-2 years.

So, I would be down with a straight up youth for experience trade at most. No picks or any other goodies for NOP.

I doubt that.

Ingram is a stud…his limitation is that he has been injury prone the last couple of years.

fishmike wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I think RJ will become as good as Ingram in 1-2 years.

So, I would be down with a straight up youth for experience trade at most. No picks or any other goodies for NOP.

I doubt that.

Ingram is a stud…his limitation is that he has been injury prone the last couple of years.

RJ has never shown the kind of shooting or offensive game Ingram has. They both came in very young. Ingram developed into an elite scorer in 4 years. In 4 years (coming in at the same age) RJ has been the same guy. A big guard who gets to the rim. The rest is wildly inconsistent. Maybe RJ gets there. He's a good kid but he hasnt shown that skill wise.

There's ZERO ZILCH NADA chance Tatum, Jalen Brown or Mikal Bridges are traded to the Knicks. Hey with Harden leaving Phili maybe Phili should trade for Brunson? That makes a lot of sense... and see how ridic it sounds. OG is good and like the 4th best player on a .500 team. You swap him for RJ you are relying even MORE on Randle. Part of the point of this upgrade is to rely less on Randle. Ingram accomplishes that (and we stay young)

I don't think the bolded part matches my expectations on an OG trade. I don't think we can rely more on Randle. I think regardless he is getting his usage. I think Barrett's usage is actually too high for what he delivers. I think you substitute and OG for Barrett and you drop usage from the SF from 26% to 20% or so while increasing both defensive prowess and 3 point shooting. You then have more shots for Grimes (14% usage). Basically, you bring both wings to 20% usage at higher efficiency. AND because you increase the efficiency of good 3 point shooters, that has the effect of spreading the floor as defenses have to guard these guys a bit closer.

Randle needs to continue to grow as a player, but I think he and RJ don't really co-exist well. I think an OG is a better pairing for what Brunson and Randle bring to the table. Its not about relying more on Randle. Its making the floor bigger for him.

Luke Walton made Ingram play PG for stretches on the Lakers and you can say that helped set the stage for his development years later. This season he averaged 5.8apg.

As to why would NO want to deal Ingram? For one, he has a max contract and if he can keep himself healthy enough to get on an all-NBA team, he can become a very costly supermax contract on a physically fragile player.

The team's big issue is the health status of Zion. Maybe it makes sense for them to move from Zion; alternatively, you can move Ingram for a package of RJ & Obi and/or assets. While RJ has been a less dynamic player compared to Ingram, he costs dramatically less. Plus with Zion's propensity for long term injuries, you ideally want a high upside backup/part time starter in that role. They were manning the position with 6'7" Herbert Jones. So the wins are: more depth, financial relief, all with upside.

The Knicks would take on the financial burden of a potential supermax deal and a less durable player for the benefit of all-around better play.

fishmike wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I think RJ will become as good as Ingram in 1-2 years.

So, I would be down with a straight up youth for experience trade at most. No picks or any other goodies for NOP.

I doubt that.

Ingram is a stud…his limitation is that he has been injury prone the last couple of years.

RJ has never shown the kind of shooting or offensive game Ingram has. They both came in very young. Ingram developed into an elite scorer in 4 years. In 4 years (coming in at the same age) RJ has been the same guy. A big guard who gets to the rim. The rest is wildly inconsistent. Maybe RJ gets there. He's a good kid but he hasnt shown that skill wise.

There's ZERO ZILCH NADA chance Tatum, Jalen Brown or Mikal Bridges are traded to the Knicks. Hey with Harden leaving Phili maybe Phili should trade for Brunson? That makes a lot of sense... and see how ridic it sounds. OG is good and like the 4th best player on a .500 team. You swap him for RJ you are relying even MORE on Randle. Part of the point of this upgrade is to rely less on Randle. Ingram accomplishes that (and we stay young)

Ingram has been an elite scorer on a crap team. Maybe that makes him a stud, maybe it makes him another Loy Vaught, Charles Smith or Tony Campbell. His production on the Knicks may go up thanks to Brunson, or go down if he has to give up some of his shot attempts to Brunson/Randle and do more on defense.

In any case, I do not see much need to give up more for him than just a straight up RJ. His addition by itself will not vault the Knicks into a clear contender status. So, why give up too many assets for him?

Knixkik wrote:The only way New Orleans trades Ingram to the Knicks is if Zion has such a hold over the franchise that he demands they trade for Barrett and there’s some behind the scenes stuff. But with the injuries I doubt he has that right now. He’s already set the franchise back as it is. They aren’t going to downgrade at the 3 ontop of it.

I agree. Will take a good offer for the Pelcans to part ways with BI. RJ alone isn't enough, just my guess. I'm sure a few future picks or some of our youths (Grimes / IQ) would need to be involved for the Pelcans to even answer the phone. Thats because I haven't heard any rumors of BI on the trading block, so the Pels holds the leverage.

From what I've seen of Leon, unless he has the leverage, hes in no rush and will simply wait until a star is available. Now if BI was a generational talent, then thats a different story. but he's another ISO scorer who can be streaky. But I believe his up and down style, length and outside shooting would compliment JB and RJ / Randle, depending on whoever is included in trade.

Again, this is all hypothetical knick fan talk. I haven't heard any rumors yet on what the Pels will do or not do.

technomaster wrote:I had anticipated that RJ would be much more serviceable as a make-shift primary ball handler by now. Tatum and Ingram (and heck, Zion) developed into better ball distributors than RJ more quickly.

Luke Walton made Ingram play PG for stretches on the Lakers and you can say that helped set the stage for his development years later. This season he averaged 5.8apg.

As to why would NO want to deal Ingram? For one, he has a max contract and if he can keep himself healthy enough to get on an all-NBA team, he can become a very costly supermax contract on a physically fragile player.

The team's big issue is the health status of Zion. Maybe it makes sense for them to move from Zion; alternatively, you can move Ingram for a package of RJ & Obi and/or assets. While RJ has been a less dynamic player compared to Ingram, he costs dramatically less. Plus with Zion's propensity for long term injuries, you ideally want a high upside backup/part time starter in that role. They were manning the position with 6'7" Herbert Jones. So the wins are: more depth, financial relief, all with upside.

The Knicks would take on the financial burden of a potential supermax deal and a less durable player for the benefit of all-around better play.

I never had as lofty expectations on RJ on par with those guys. RJ was the 3rd pick but one with a drop off. I suppose others did. Thing is he never really tore it up in college. he had moments. he has had moments as a pro too! I never saw it in him. I saw Reddish potential but he never elevated beyond the physical potential.
Ingram is a bit older as is Tatum. Tatum right from the start was special As was Zion. Ingram needed a season to get it together but he was a shooter from day one.
Perhaps thats the issue of the "Polarization": Expectations.

As for Ingram getting a super max from him if he all NBA? That a bad thing? Randle was eligible his first selection and knicks did not sniff that kind of scratch!