If I am gonna move on from RJ I would want a legit 3. Ingram is 2 years younger and doesnt have Zach's bad contract. DeAndre Hunter is another one. Cam Thomas is another

fishmike wrote:I said no because of the cost... sub out RJ for Zach's eff% and the Knicks should be better, but not by much. He's hurt all the time and makes $40mm a year. No way... much rather focus on Grimes/IQ at that spot and I think we will be better.

If I am gonna move on from RJ I would want a legit 3. Ingram is 2 years younger and doesnt have Zach's bad contract. DeAndre Hunter is another one. Cam Thomas is another

Was going to post the same. In order for a team to be better, the cost/production ratio of ONE player must be accounted for. As you said, Lavine would add some clutch scoring but because of health and defensive concerns, value would not be there.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Just realized I committed my pet peeve and misspelled his name ‘LaVine’ and can’t edit polls.

yeah, stupid polls, I'll help with title

Thank you! In all my years here I didn’t realize you can’t edit polls.

EwingsGlass wrote:Here, I think you are trading potential upside for likely downside. All for a marginal increase in offense at the cost of defense. SergioNYK's OG comment is where I am. I am not sold on moving Barrett. We lost last night, but I appreciated Barrett's game. Except for that ugly duck of a layup attempt. But his passing looked better.

But IF we were moving Barrett, it would be for a lower usage 3&D with length and athleticism. Somebody that shuts the Kelly Oubre-s of the NBA down and can hit the open 3 consistently.

It makes the most sense to replace Barrett with an elite 3&D guy like Anunoby. But it also makes sense to take heat off of Brunson and Randle, or in case someone misses time, having a like-for-like offensive replacement who can hold down the fort. Last night is a good example. Barrett can get his points with more usage, but it seems like LaVine would bail us out in 4th quarters when Brunson is out. Randle is great but buzzer beaters aside, he’s not a big 4th quarter guy. But I don’t know, maybe Quickley can continue to grow into that role.

fishmike wrote:I said no because of the cost... sub out RJ for Zach's eff% and the Knicks should be better, but not by much. He's hurt all the time and makes $40mm a year. No way... much rather focus on Grimes/IQ at that spot and I think we will be better.

If I am gonna move on from RJ I would want a legit 3. Ingram is 2 years younger and doesnt have Zach's bad contract. DeAndre Hunter is another one. Cam Thomas is another

DeAndre Hunter is always hurt but his skill set would be perfect for us at the 3. He is a better defender and shooter than RJ, and he would not cost a lot. I would target him if Atlanta decides to breakup the team.

Knixkik wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Here, I think you are trading potential upside for likely downside. All for a marginal increase in offense at the cost of defense. SergioNYK's OG comment is where I am. I am not sold on moving Barrett. We lost last night, but I appreciated Barrett's game. Except for that ugly duck of a layup attempt. But his passing looked better.

But IF we were moving Barrett, it would be for a lower usage 3&D with length and athleticism. Somebody that shuts the Kelly Oubre-s of the NBA down and can hit the open 3 consistently.

It makes the most sense to replace Barrett with an elite 3&D guy like Anunoby. But it also makes sense to take heat off of Brunson and Randle, or in case someone misses time, having a like-for-like offensive replacement who can hold down the fort. Last night is a good example. Barrett can get his points with more usage, but it seems like LaVine would bail us out in 4th quarters when Brunson is out. Randle is great but buzzer beaters aside, he’s not a big 4th quarter guy. But I don’t know, maybe Quickley can continue to grow into that role.

I think you have Quickley and Grimes as efficient scorers that can help with that scoring load -- potentially. I also think that Anunoby on his own has the ability to assist with scoring.

TheGame wrote:

fishmike wrote:I said no because of the cost... sub out RJ for Zach's eff% and the Knicks should be better, but not by much. He's hurt all the time and makes $40mm a year. No way... much rather focus on Grimes/IQ at that spot and I think we will be better.

If I am gonna move on from RJ I would want a legit 3. Ingram is 2 years younger and doesnt have Zach's bad contract. DeAndre Hunter is another one. Cam Thomas is another

DeAndre Hunter is always hurt but his skill set would be perfect for us at the 3. He is a better defender and shooter than RJ, and he would not cost a lot. I would target him if Atlanta decides to breakup the team.

Ack! Conceptually, the 25 year old Hunter sounds like a good idea based on reputation. Hunter was DPOTY in college (as voted by coaches). Like Reddish, he looks the part - 6'8-6'9", long arms, quick... but to this point it hasn't played out in the NBA when you look at the numbers.

This season and for his career, he has a worse DRating than RJ. To top it off, he was an old rookie and his upside doesn't seem quite as bright. Other than his 3pt %, he's basically a little worse than RJ in just about every possible way.

What I appreciate about RJ is his willingness to adjust his game for the good of the team.

Now Ingram - he's a little more interesting. He's also 25, but he already has a nice mature game - he can shoot, distribute, switch between SG-PF... If you look at his stats and career arc, he's basically the player you'd hope RJ evolves into over the next 2-3 years. What I don't like about Ingram is that he's rail thin and pretty fragile. He's quite good, but this is what you get out of him as a #1 or #2 option. On the Knicks, I don't see him doing what he does in RJ's role.

I think we have a nice 3rd start in RJ. He has upside, he steps up and produces bigger #s if he's your #1st or 2nd option, he can step up if your top 2 options are out. And he really works on his game.

OG and Levine are always injured.

Look at KD. The guy just injured himself in layup lines. I don’t like any trade where the future can potentially disappear with an injury. He blows out his knee and we have an Allan Houston situation.

Mikal Bridges for RJ and Obi that’s a good move.