Knicks may have either 2 or 3 first round picks in the 10-18 range this year and maybe they can address the problem, although it’s not easy with rookies. Gradey Dick and Jett Howard are the 2 purest shooters in the draft at this point and will both be available in that range most likely, but can either of them provide major minutes as a rookie? Kel’el Ware is a 3&D center in the Turner mold. But these are more long term fixes as opposed to finding a way to solve now. I think the Knicks screwed up not grabbing Jerami grant this summer when he was cheap. The Knicks have a lot of issues defensively and with inconsistent play from anyone not named Jalen Brunson, but for me the shooting is more frustrating because it prevents any type of real momentum to win these types of games.

We need IQ, RJ, Randle and Obi to start shooting better.

That, or you have to find a trade out there to send some guys/minutes out and get back someone better able to produce.

I've mused that if GS ever looked to retool, Klay Thompson might be a player that could help a young squad like ours.

But I think we have to see improvement from within.

SergioNYK wrote:I know shooting a lot of threes is the new NBA (which I hate!!) but shouldn't we dial it back a little and stop hunting that shot? We're clearly not good at it so why waste possessions taking them? We're currently 10th in the league in attempts!

But if you can’t knock them down than teams just play zone and that’s it. Knicks need to start making threes. That’s the only answer. Can’t stop shooting them, even in the slightest. Either need the current players to make them or add someone who can. If one guy starts knocking them down at a high volume than I think it will have a domino effect across the roster

Knixkik wrote:I don’t want to turn this into a trade Randle thread but another option would be bojan bogdanovic from Detroit who is on the market and an elite shooter. He’s playing mostly PF these days and while he’s an older player, he opens up the floor for Brunson and Barrett and can provide more Toppin opportunities due to him shifting between PF and SF. He’s probably a neutral defensive liability as Randle is, but offers a better fit. Randle and a pick from another team for bogdanovic. Just thinking about another avenue.

I'd love to get him - he would help tremendously - but I don't think our FO is giving up on Randle.

How about we trade Obi and Fournier for him? I love Obi, but to have a veteran shooter out there would be great to have.

franco12 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I don’t want to turn this into a trade Randle thread but another option would be bojan bogdanovic from Detroit who is on the market and an elite shooter. He’s playing mostly PF these days and while he’s an older player, he opens up the floor for Brunson and Barrett and can provide more Toppin opportunities due to him shifting between PF and SF. He’s probably a neutral defensive liability as Randle is, but offers a better fit. Randle and a pick from another team for bogdanovic. Just thinking about another avenue.

I'd love to get him - he would help tremendously - but I don't think our FO is giving up on Randle.

How about we trade Obi and Fournier for him? I love Obi, but to have a veteran shooter out there would be great to have.

I would think they would want to give up Randle before Toppin.

Knicks have a good working relationship with the pistons so I’m sure they would happily take more picks from the Knicks.

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I don’t want to turn this into a trade Randle thread but another option would be bojan bogdanovic from Detroit who is on the market and an elite shooter. He’s playing mostly PF these days and while he’s an older player, he opens up the floor for Brunson and Barrett and can provide more Toppin opportunities due to him shifting between PF and SF. He’s probably a neutral defensive liability as Randle is, but offers a better fit. Randle and a pick from another team for bogdanovic. Just thinking about another avenue.

we literally have that guy on the bench... its Evan Fournier

Fournier has never been anywhere near the ability of bojan. Bojan has been a consistent 20 ppg scorer on a playoff team.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Bojan-Bogdanovic/Comparison/9740/Evan-Fournier/24346

Evan came in at age 19. Bojan age 25.
If you look at Years of service figures its closer than one would think.
We tend to **** on our own and glorify others.
Its really a decent concept but im not trading for 33 year old Bojan who is putting up these numbers ona ****ty team. He would look good on our second unit, but there is OBI.
Bojan was impressive when he broke in with the nets!

fishmike wrote:team lays bricks... I can literally hear every open look rim clang every time I read on this forum "we have coaching problem..." or "if only Thibs..."

If only this team could hit some phucking baskets they would be pretty good. As you can see they are quite mediocre. However Franco's hopes are not lost as it's a young squad and there can still be significant improvement from most of the rotation.

The clangs are hard to watch/hear. Open looks. Quality shots. clang clang clang... like this guy

Pretty much. We've been competitive in almost all our games but our horrible shooting keeps letting us down.

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I don’t want to turn this into a trade Randle thread but another option would be bojan bogdanovic from Detroit who is on the market and an elite shooter. He’s playing mostly PF these days and while he’s an older player, he opens up the floor for Brunson and Barrett and can provide more Toppin opportunities due to him shifting between PF and SF. He’s probably a neutral defensive liability as Randle is, but offers a better fit. Randle and a pick from another team for bogdanovic. Just thinking about another avenue.

we literally have that guy on the bench... its Evan Fournier

Fournier has never been anywhere near the ability of bojan. Bojan has been a consistent 20 ppg scorer on a playoff team.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Bojan-Bogdanovic/Comparison/9740/Evan-Fournier/24346

Evan came in at age 19. Bojan age 25.
If you look at Years of service figures its closer than one would think.
We tend to **** on our own and glorify others.
Its really a decent concept but im not trading for 33 year old Bojan who is putting up these numbers ona ****ty team. He would look good on our second unit, but there is OBI.
Bojan was impressive when he broke in with the nets!

I'm trading Obi out- so replacing Obi with Bogdanovic. And if EF were a big that could play C or PF, I'd be happy.

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I don’t want to turn this into a trade Randle thread but another option would be bojan bogdanovic from Detroit who is on the market and an elite shooter. He’s playing mostly PF these days and while he’s an older player, he opens up the floor for Brunson and Barrett and can provide more Toppin opportunities due to him shifting between PF and SF. He’s probably a neutral defensive liability as Randle is, but offers a better fit. Randle and a pick from another team for bogdanovic. Just thinking about another avenue.

we literally have that guy on the bench... its Evan Fournier

Fournier has never been anywhere near the ability of bojan. Bojan has been a consistent 20 ppg scorer on a playoff team.

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Bojan-Bogdanovic/Comparison/9740/Evan-Fournier/24346

Evan came in at age 19. Bojan age 25.
If you look at Years of service figures its closer than one would think.
We tend to **** on our own and glorify others.
Its really a decent concept but im not trading for 33 year old Bojan who is putting up these numbers ona ****ty team. He would look good on our second unit, but there is OBI.
Bojan was impressive when he broke in with the nets!

I'm trading Obi out- so replacing Obi with Bogdanovic. And if EF were a big that could play C or PF, I'd be happy.

great... trading 23 year olds for 33 year olds has worked well in the past

I don't know - I would love to add a solid shooter like Bogdanovic. Someone has to go. I like Obi a lot. But will he go on to have a career or does he end up like Kevin Knox?

We do have enough youth. Obi is only getting 17 minutes.

The bigger question is can Thibs play a Bogdanovic if you add him to the roster? Because simply giving him 17 minutes would be a disservice.