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BRIGGS
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10/25/2022  10:14 AM
The combination of Randle and obi has been a superstar like player output so far. Only negative is obi does not get enough minutes. I wonder at some point if there are scenarios of those two playing together
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10/25/2022  10:16 AM
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10/25/2022  10:23 AM
BRIGGS wrote:The combination of Randle and obi has been a superstar like player output so far. Only negative is obi does not get enough minutes. I wonder at some point if there are scenarios of those two playing together

There literally isn't. Not with Thibs, Mitch, and Hart and Jericho.

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10/25/2022  10:26 AM
I think if the Knicks really want to push tempo they need to figure out a way to play Obi with Randle. It doesnt have to be very night or all the time, but they just don't get Obi enough minutes in the current configuration and if they want to bring energy and pace to the lineup, having him on the floor is the easiest way to do that.
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10/25/2022  10:32 AM
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The combination of Randle and obi has been a superstar like player output so far. Only negative is obi does not get enough minutes. I wonder at some point if there are scenarios of those two playing together

There literally isn't. Not with Thibs, Mitch, and Hart and Jericho.

I love Obi but he's not getting minutes at the 5. Best best is you try him at the 3 and see how Randle/Obi look having to guard a wing out there.

Milw will play a big line up at times with BroPez, Portis and Giannis up front. I think its much more likely we play 3 big guys than more smalls and it also plays to the strength of the team

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10/25/2022  10:50 AM
(Through 3 games) Randle is really playing much quicker this year. I could see them coexisting for stretches.

Right now though, I think you'll only see that when Obi is playing exceptionally well in a bench comeback. I have an easier time seeing Thibs sub out Hart for Randle with the 2nd unit than Mitch for Obi with the 1st.
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10/25/2022  11:24 AM
things will get tougher for Obi if Cam keeps playing like this. He will eat into Obi's minutes and Grimes' or RJ's
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10/25/2022  10:27 PM
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He looks so depressed and they look good… it’s so weird.

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10/25/2022  10:31 PM
I’d love to keep the combination of Randle and Toppin forever at that position if they play like this. But how long will Toppin tolerate the 15-18 mpg role off the bench? There will always be other teams out there with more opportunity. But he is from NY and repped by Sam Rose. It’s going to be very interesting what his future is.
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10/26/2022  6:18 AM
Knixkik wrote:I’d love to keep the combination of Randle and Toppin forever at that position if they play like this. But how long will Toppin tolerate the 15-18 mpg role off the bench? There will always be other teams out there with more opportunity. But he is from NY and repped by Sam Rose. It’s going to be very interesting what his future is.

Unless the FO sees an opportunity to add an all-star in their prime. Randle an Obi's future will likely be decided by how they play in the offseason. Thats where the rubber meets the road.

Randle had to practically carry the team to the Knicks last playoff appearance. Was pretty much out of gas by the postseason. Obi can help keep history from repeating itself.

Unfortunately I dont see Obi and Randle on the court at the same time, moving the needle. Might come down to who has a bigger impact in the playoffs. Thats the next step in the process. Doubt we would be able to afford both, beyond Obi's rookie deal. If Obi is playing like a starter.
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10/26/2022  8:16 AM
Knixkik wrote:I’d love to keep the combination of Randle and Toppin forever at that position if they play like this. But how long will Toppin tolerate the 15-18 mpg role off the bench? There will always be other teams out there with more opportunity. But he is from NY and repped by Sam Rose. It’s going to be very interesting what his future is.


Out of the vacuum that is our fandom what teams need a starting forward and are not grooming a rookie for the job?
With limited 3ball range, not a strong defensive player or eater of rebounds what are his choices if he cannot tolerate the role he has?
We see the highlights and project that to starter minutes?
“How will we know if we don’t try him”. Good question but Randle is a 20-10-5 double double machine and they are not as common as one might think.
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10/26/2022  8:32 AM
BRIGGS wrote:The combination of Randle and obi has been a superstar like player output so far. Only negative is obi does not get enough minutes. I wonder at some point if there are scenarios of those two playing together

Wouldn't that affect the dynamic you say is producing a "Superstar"?
Agree that it seems both are providing exactly what we need. Randle seems to have accepted winning over being the man. Obi's instant energy and pace fits perfectly with the second unit.
Feel we have the same dynamic at PG with IQ or Rose. Same with RJ and Cam. Will have it with EF and Grimes and hopefully with MR and Hart. There is not much drop off with our second unit. I like the dynamic which brings in a different and effective style of play. Kinda like bringing in a high velocity pitcher after a curve ball pitcher has been throwing.

I do agree that Obi's minutes should be 18-20 and Randle's 28-30. Especially when he has it going.
Think that will happen. Hopefully that produces the best out of both of them.

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10/26/2022  8:48 AM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The combination of Randle and obi has been a superstar like player output so far. Only negative is obi does not get enough minutes. I wonder at some point if there are scenarios of those two playing together

There literally isn't. Not with Thibs, Mitch, and Hart and Jericho.

I love Obi but he's not getting minutes at the 5. Best best is you try him at the 3 and see how Randle/Obi look having to guard a wing out there.

Milw will play a big line up at times with BroPez, Portis and Giannis up front. I think its much more likely we play 3 big guys than more smalls and it also plays to the strength of the team

The only issue with that is that it will take minutes away from other very good options for those SF minutes. RJ, Cam, Grimes and even IQ already fighting for those.

But I guess if they are playing against a big lineup, like the one you mentioned, that would be interesting to see.

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10/26/2022  9:25 AM
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He looks so depressed and they look good… it’s so weird.

Obviously he misses Berman

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10/26/2022  9:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2022  9:29 AM
Knixkik wrote:I’d love to keep the combination of Randle and Toppin forever at that position if they play like this. But how long will Toppin tolerate the 15-18 mpg role off the bench? There will always be other teams out there with more opportunity. But he is from NY and repped by Sam Rose. It’s going to be very interesting what his future is.

You know what Toppin can do? Play balls out on defense, rebound like a maniac, and hit his 3's. Make someone else make a decision. IMHO he hasn't yet.

If Toppin was the central figure of the bench mob squad because of how well he plays, he will move the FO towards trading Randle.

It's literally that simple.

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10/26/2022  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2022  10:05 AM
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10/26/2022  10:12 AM
martin wrote:
Knixkik wrote:I’d love to keep the combination of Randle and Toppin forever at that position if they play like this. But how long will Toppin tolerate the 15-18 mpg role off the bench? There will always be other teams out there with more opportunity. But he is from NY and repped by Sam Rose. It’s going to be very interesting what his future is.

You know what Toppin can do? Play balls out on defense, rebound like a maniac, and hit his 3's. Make someone else make a decision. IMHO he hasn't yet.

If Toppin was the central figure of the bench mob squad because of how well he plays, he will move the FO towards trading Randle.

It's literally that simple.

god thank you.... I would offer the same reply to HofstraBBall regarding playing Obi at the wing. The whole point is to play the best guys. Obviously Obi plays a brand of ball that is beautiful to watch and he brings an energy that is infectious. Go back to the day he was drafted I loved him. I hope he spends his whole career here, even if he never pans out to be more than a good bench player. We all phucking love him. Point is he's gotta outplay the guys in front of him. That's how it works. Has he outplayed Jules? Cam?
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10/26/2022  11:19 AM
BRIGGS wrote:The combination of Randle and obi has been a superstar like player output so far. Only negative is obi does not get enough minutes. I wonder at some point if there are scenarios of those two playing together
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10/26/2022  11:28 AM
All things being equal, there are only 3 instances where Obi gets more minutes:

- Randle gets less minutes
- Hart gets less minutes
- Mitch gets less minutes

I don't see a center/Obi/Randle lineup.

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