Jimbo5 wrote:Chances are the knicks will parade this current roster when opening night arrives. Ian Bagley released an article talking about possible starters. It seems like the possible starting roster he wrote about is more of his opinion and not an actual idea proposed by the front office or Thibs. Or is it?

I think it is safe to say that it's all speculation until guys go through training camp and preseason. Maybe there is a trade, maybe there isn't. Maybe Fournier needs several months rest to cool off from playing FIVB throughout the summer, maybe he comes to camp on fire and owns a starting spot. Maybe DRose is in the best shape of his life or maybe he is perfect player for the Taj role until someone gets hurt.

Jimbo5 wrote:Reports came out that Cam was working out with the knicks most of the summer and is in great shape. Its also said that just like in previous training camps Thibs will look at the players with a clean slate. Bagley mentioned a possible SG starter will be Grimes, which has been previously floated. But what caught my attention was the possibility if Cam starting at the SF and RJ at the SG. Is this actually a possibility? I really like it but it seems like it will create more roster problems for the second unit, who will take Cam's place and ride the bench? Fournier, he has a huge contract. IQ? Reports came out he is expected to have a bigger role this year. Grimes? I doubt it, he was an untouchable player in the Mitchell trade talks.

I really got excited thinking about the possibility of Cam starting but i cant see the logic how it could work for the rest of the rotation.

IMHO having too many players who have earned minutes is a good thing albeit not ideal.

Mitch Randle Cam RJ Brunson
Hart Obi Fournier Grimes IQ
Spot minutes: DRose Jericho McBride

Obi and IQ will be on their 3rd year, Grimes and Deuce, Sims are sophomores. Will we finally see regular minutes for them? I do hope so...

Like the idea of JB, Grimes, RJ, Randle and MR.
Also intrigued by the possibility of JB, RJ, CAM, Randle, MR. But think that has a slim chance.
Think there is always too much emphasis on who the starters will be. Imo, it's more important to just have TWO solid units.
Gut feeling is Thibs will go with:
JB, EF, RJ, Randle and MR with a second unit of
Rose, IQ, Grimes,Obi and Hart. Cam seems like odd man out again. Unless Rose gets hurt then IQ would move to the PG and Cam would take over the SF role in the second unit.
Feel Knicks already know they have to make some changes but know it's best to see how players perform in the first half and hope a stronger market develops from playoff contending teams.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Chances are the knicks will parade this current roster when opening night arrives. Ian Bagley released an article talking about possible starters. It seems like the possible starting roster he wrote about is more of his opinion and not an actual idea proposed by the front office or Thibs. Or is it?

Reports came out that Cam was working out with the knicks most of the summer and is in great shape. Its also said that just like in previous training camps Thibs will look at the players with a clean slate. Bagley mentioned a possible SG starter will be Grimes, which has been previously floated. But what caught my attention was the possibility if Cam starting at the SF and RJ at the SG. Is this actually a possibility? I really like it but it seems like it will create more roster problems for the second unit, who will take Cam's place and ride the bench? Fournier, he has a huge contract. IQ? Reports came out he is expected to have a bigger role this year. Grimes? I doubt it, he was an untouchable player in the Mitchell trade talks.

I really got excited thinking about the possibility of Cam starting but i cant see the logic how it could work for the rest of the rotation.

Brunson/Rose/McBride/Arcidiacono
Barrett/IQ/Grimes/Keels
Reddish/Fournier/Hunt/Svi
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Hart/Sims

I like the size and defensive look from this lineup BBRRR. I love Reddish. He would have to have an amazing camp to walk away with the starting position.

If Cam got the starting nod, Rose/IQ/Grimes/Fournier definitely clustered for minutes if Barrett is taking SG minutes. Better to be undersized at SF in the second unit though. My guess is that McBride and Grimes are still at the short end of the stick, but the Fournier/Grimes/Reddish fight for minutes is the talk of camp.

All this said, Reddish coming into camp able to compete for the starting SF would be the best thing that could happen to the Knicks.

It all depends on 3 point shooting. Teams will crowd the paint and let RJ Randle and Cam fire away from 3 point land if those 3 start. It will take a long time before teams move away from that plan. With Fournier, at least you have to respect his 3 point shot. Defensively that team of BBRRR could crush it.

SergioNYK wrote:I think Begley is just guessing. No way I believe he would start Reddish. I don't even think he'll start Grimes over Fournier.

Just so that everyone has the same understanding, here is the article: https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-mailbag-predicting-starting-five-odds-julius-randle-is-traded

And the quote from the article:

I don’t know if this was an opinion shared by the majority of decision-makers, but it was prevalent. One scenario discussed internally around that time was starting Quentin Grimes at shooting guard and bringing Fournier off the bench. Another scenario discussed internally involved moving RJ Barrett to shooting guard and Cam Reddish to small forward. If I had to guess, the Knicks discussed several other scenarios at the time and in the 10-plus weeks since the signing.

gradyandrew wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

Jimbo5 wrote:Chances are the knicks will parade this current roster when opening night arrives. Ian Bagley released an article talking about possible starters. It seems like the possible starting roster he wrote about is more of his opinion and not an actual idea proposed by the front office or Thibs. Or is it?

Reports came out that Cam was working out with the knicks most of the summer and is in great shape. Its also said that just like in previous training camps Thibs will look at the players with a clean slate. Bagley mentioned a possible SG starter will be Grimes, which has been previously floated. But what caught my attention was the possibility if Cam starting at the SF and RJ at the SG. Is this actually a possibility? I really like it but it seems like it will create more roster problems for the second unit, who will take Cam's place and ride the bench? Fournier, he has a huge contract. IQ? Reports came out he is expected to have a bigger role this year. Grimes? I doubt it, he was an untouchable player in the Mitchell trade talks.

I really got excited thinking about the possibility of Cam starting but i cant see the logic how it could work for the rest of the rotation.

Brunson/Rose/McBride/Arcidiacono
Barrett/IQ/Grimes/Keels
Reddish/Fournier/Hunt/Svi
Randle/Toppin
Robinson/Hart/Sims

I like the size and defensive look from this lineup BBRRR. I love Reddish. He would have to have an amazing camp to walk away with the starting position.

If Cam got the starting nod, Rose/IQ/Grimes/Fournier definitely clustered for minutes if Barrett is taking SG minutes. Better to be undersized at SF in the second unit though. My guess is that McBride and Grimes are still at the short end of the stick, but the Fournier/Grimes/Reddish fight for minutes is the talk of camp.

All this said, Reddish coming into camp able to compete for the starting SF would be the best thing that could happen to the Knicks.

It all depends on 3 point shooting. Teams will crowd the paint and let RJ Randle and Cam fire away from 3 point land if those 3 start. It will take a long time before teams move away from that plan. With Fournier, at least you have to respect his 3 point shot. Defensively that team of BBRRR could crush it.

I can't change Barrett and Randle - if their 3pt percentages are anything like 20-21, they are a tough team. If like 21-22, you can pack the paint.

Cam interests me cause he shot 37% with ATL in limited minutes before the trade. He has consistently shot 90% from FT every year of his career. High FT% generally correlates well to high 3pt percentage. I think you get a guy like Cam comfortable, he's a 37-42% 3 point shooter with a 7'2 wingspan that is used to taking the tougher defensive assignments. I was pushing for a Cam trade before last season. Guy needs some opportunities.

Fournier could be put to more use in the second unit and could get more looks as a secondary ball handler, depending who else is on the floor.

The Knicks FO says to Thibs .. Brunson contract makes him a starter, Fourniers contract makes him a starter, RJ Barrett being the 3rd pick in the draft deserve an extension and a place in the starter lineup, plus Randle becoming an all-star in the Covid season makes him a starter, and MitchRob being a double-double 2 block big man makes him a starter.