Same people are still here who made those decisions.
We did the same thing with Noah and a host of others over the years. At least I have more faith in this front office than those from years past.

Knicks need to be careful going all in on Mitchell or it could turn out to be another mistake.

TLover wrote:Might as well just trade Randle and Fournier for Westbrook’s expiring contract at this point lol

I think Fournier is the one move that wasn't a mistake, we just need to wait it out until the deadline or offseason- when he just has 1 season left his contract is is fine as an expiring for such a good shooter- think you could get a second rounder or two or late first for him then, like he got last time he was in the same position.

smackeddog wrote:

TLover wrote:Might as well just trade Randle and Fournier for Westbrook’s expiring contract at this point lol

I think Fournier is the one move that wasn't a mistake, we just need to wait it out until the deadline or offseason- when he just has 1 season left his contract is is fine as an expiring for such a good shooter- think you could get a second rounder or two or late first for him then, like he got last time he was in the same position.

Fournier is the best pure shooter on the roster. Going forward with an actual full time point guard he will be better for us

jaydh wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TLover wrote:Might as well just trade Randle and Fournier for Westbrook’s expiring contract at this point lol

I think Fournier is the one move that wasn't a mistake, we just need to wait it out until the deadline or offseason- when he just has 1 season left his contract is is fine as an expiring for such a good shooter- think you could get a second rounder or two or late first for him then, like he got last time he was in the same position.

Fournier is the best pure shooter on the roster. Going forward with an actual full time point guard he will be better for us

Steve Novak 2.0

2.0 since he can dribble at least twice before losing it.

Think you mean to say Porzingis is Steve Novak the $150 million glorified version

jaydh wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

TLover wrote:Might as well just trade Randle and Fournier for Westbrook’s expiring contract at this point lol

I think Fournier is the one move that wasn't a mistake, we just need to wait it out until the deadline or offseason- when he just has 1 season left his contract is is fine as an expiring for such a good shooter- think you could get a second rounder or two or late first for him then, like he got last time he was in the same position.

Fournier is the best pure shooter on the roster. Going forward with an actual full time point guard he will be better for us

Steve Novak 2.0

2.0 since he can dribble at least twice before losing it.

One huge difference is Novak couldnt make a 3 with anyone near him. Fournier can.

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smackeddog wrote:Making mistakes is part of being a GM- everything is a calculated risk. Cleaning up mistakes is an important part of the job- better than doubling down so you don't have to admit something didn't work out!

Last summers moves were okay (there weren't many options), but we got unlucky with all of them- Noel and Rose got injured, Randle had an absolute meltdown. If Noel had performed like the previous season (not a huge ask), his contract would have been fine, could have got a second rounder at the least back. Likewise with Rose. I'm not a fan of extending players a season in advance because you never know what might happen, but at the time Randle's contract was decent even if he had a slight regression.

Worst mistake was $8mil for 2 seasons for Kemba- 1 season would have been fine, or a minimum contract would have been fine, but that second year blew up in our face. Though likely OKC only agreed to the buyout because we were saving them $16mil.

This but to add to it the assets they used to get out of their mistakes were assets they collected themselves. So in my mind they cancel each other out. Now they will be judged on how the team actually does this season.

Every team that isn’t managed by Pat Riley makes mistakes.

Clean wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Clean wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Making mistakes is part of being a GM- everything is a calculated risk. Cleaning up mistakes is an important part of the job- better than doubling down so you don't have to admit something didn't work out!

Last summers moves were okay (there weren't many options), but we got unlucky with all of them- Noel and Rose got injured, Randle had an absolute meltdown. If Noel had performed like the previous season (not a huge ask), his contract would have been fine, could have got a second rounder at the least back. Likewise with Rose. I'm not a fan of extending players a season in advance because you never know what might happen, but at the time Randle's contract was decent even if he had a slight regression.

Worst mistake was $8mil for 2 seasons for Kemba- 1 season would have been fine, or a minimum contract would have been fine, but that second year blew up in our face. Though likely OKC only agreed to the buyout because we were saving them $16mil.

This but to add to it the assets they used to get out of their mistakes were assets they collected themselves. So in my mind they cancel each other out. Now they will be judged on how the team actually does this season.

Every team that isn’t managed by Pat Riley makes mistakes.

He also makes mistakes. Exhibit 1 is that terrible Duncan Robinson contract.

#2 is Lowry contract.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Clean wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Making mistakes is part of being a GM- everything is a calculated risk. Cleaning up mistakes is an important part of the job- better than doubling down so you don't have to admit something didn't work out!

Last summers moves were okay (there weren't many options), but we got unlucky with all of them- Noel and Rose got injured, Randle had an absolute meltdown. If Noel had performed like the previous season (not a huge ask), his contract would have been fine, could have got a second rounder at the least back. Likewise with Rose. I'm not a fan of extending players a season in advance because you never know what might happen, but at the time Randle's contract was decent even if he had a slight regression.

Worst mistake was $8mil for 2 seasons for Kemba- 1 season would have been fine, or a minimum contract would have been fine, but that second year blew up in our face. Though likely OKC only agreed to the buyout because we were saving them $16mil.

This but to add to it the assets they used to get out of their mistakes were assets they collected themselves. So in my mind they cancel each other out. Now they will be judged on how the team actually does this season.

Every team that isn’t managed by Pat Riley makes mistakes.

He also makes mistakes. Exhibit 1 is that terrible Duncan Robinson contract.

#2 is Lowry contract.

Fournier and Randle aren’t even bad contracts. Fourniers contract is aging the best out of all of those shooters that got paid. Robinson, Hield, Harris, Bertans etc. it’s not like will be just a salary dump situation. Leon will move them only if there’s a bigger fish or better fit.

Agree. I consider a bad contract to be one that a team is going to have a lot of trouble unloading without taking some kind of hit. Because of the player, the deal, a combination of the two. Neither of these conditions apply.

One reason Rose was able to come in and accumulate picks, was due to the him not inheriting any bad contracts, other than Noah's. Which still wasnt a big cap hit.

MS wrote:That’s why we shouldn’t panic.

Leon had a horrific offseason last year.

This year has actually be strategic and we made two great signings and bringing back Mitch was smart.

Thibs is the real issue. We needed to push the pace last season and his combinations were not effective.

We have enough horses defensively to up the tempo and apply pressure and keep everyone fresh. Grimes needs to start and Fournier needs to move to the bench.

We can rebuild and add a lot of value to our players…

What would you have done in Leon’s spot?

Randle just had a historic year and RJ was pretty good.

What was your play?

Also, please let us know how you push the ball without guys who can really push the ball. Teams are built around their own strengths and you are calling for the opposite and without the types of players you need to fill those roles.