I would have preferred to spend less on Murray or Haliburton. I think the price the Wolves paid was overpaying for a defensive center in Gobert. But like inflation, value is out of whack everywhere these days. I will mention that I don't want KD on the Knicks because of his diss on the Knicks, his lack of loyalty, and his entitled spirit. Talentwise yes, as a human, hell to the no. But couldn't they get KD, the better player for less than Mitchell? The haul delusional Ainge offered should get you both KD and one of the 2 other disgruntled Nets.

D-Mitch isn't a top 5 in the league nor in any category statistically. In the postseason his numbers in several categories were less than Ingram's and were way less efficient 40% FG 20% 3Pt, is he worth that haul? Is he the top player available, no, but maybe available to the Knicks. Isn't RJ a SG and Brunson a PG, too? So, not positions of need. He plays lazy defense and turns the ball over 3 times a game.

Would it not be better to play with the current squad, make Ainge wait, which he doesn't want to do, and see what this team needs as constructed? Ainge wants max picks and to tank, D-Mitch there makes them win, so he will come down in price sooner than later. Is KD the only guy who can command that talent not be depleted on his new team? I think not, just wait this out. D-Mitch at a reasonable price is a good addition, but I'm not sure it is a great addition.

Thoughts?

NYStateOfMind wrote:Some things mirror the Melo trade here. Knicks expected to pay too much, similar age, and deplete team depth, sound familiar?

I would have preferred to spend less on Murray or Haliburton. I think the price the Wolves paid was overpaying for a defensive center in Gobert. But like inflation, value is out of whack everywhere these days. I will mention that I don't want KD on the Knicks because of his diss on the Knicks, his lack of loyalty, and his entitled spirit. Talentwise yes, as a human, hell to the no. But couldn't they get KD, the better player for less than Mitchell? The haul delusional Ainge offered should get you both KD and one of the 2 other disgruntled Nets.

D-Mitch isn't a top 5 in the league nor in any category statistically. In the postseason his numbers in several categories were less than Ingram's and were way less efficient 40% FG 20% 3Pt, is he worth that haul? Is he the top player available, no, but maybe available to the Knicks. Isn't RJ a SG and Brunson a PG, too? So, not positions of need. He plays lazy defense and turns the ball over 3 times a game.

Would it not be better to play with the current squad, make Ainge wait, which he doesn't want to do, and see what this team needs as constructed? Ainge wants max picks and to tank, D-Mitch there makes them win, so he will come down in price sooner than later. Is KD the only guy who can command that talent not be depleted on his new team? I think not, just wait this out. D-Mitch at a reasonable price is a good addition, but I'm not sure it is a great addition.

Thoughts?

he is top 10 in scoring. I'd argue we have a better roster to support him than we did when we got Melo, of course, depending on what we give up for him in a trade.

This is not a supporting cast of a broken down 40 year old players.

If we were to roll out a line up of

Donovan
Brunson
RJ
Randle
M Rob

I'd argue they potentially can match up to the Celtics, Heat, Bulls & Bucks. Are they winning a championship - doubtful. But you have to get there first- and I'd like the move if what we give up is fair.

franco12 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Some things mirror the Melo trade here. Knicks expected to pay too much, similar age, and deplete team depth, sound familiar?

I would have preferred to spend less on Murray or Haliburton. I think the price the Wolves paid was overpaying for a defensive center in Gobert. But like inflation, value is out of whack everywhere these days. I will mention that I don't want KD on the Knicks because of his diss on the Knicks, his lack of loyalty, and his entitled spirit. Talentwise yes, as a human, hell to the no. But couldn't they get KD, the better player for less than Mitchell? The haul delusional Ainge offered should get you both KD and one of the 2 other disgruntled Nets.

D-Mitch isn't a top 5 in the league nor in any category statistically. In the postseason his numbers in several categories were less than Ingram's and were way less efficient 40% FG 20% 3Pt, is he worth that haul? Is he the top player available, no, but maybe available to the Knicks. Isn't RJ a SG and Brunson a PG, too? So, not positions of need. He plays lazy defense and turns the ball over 3 times a game.

Would it not be better to play with the current squad, make Ainge wait, which he doesn't want to do, and see what this team needs as constructed? Ainge wants max picks and to tank, D-Mitch there makes them win, so he will come down in price sooner than later. Is KD the only guy who can command that talent not be depleted on his new team? I think not, just wait this out. D-Mitch at a reasonable price is a good addition, but I'm not sure it is a great addition.

Thoughts?

he is top 10 in scoring. I'd argue we have a better roster to support him than we did when we got Melo, of course, depending on what we give up for him in a trade.

This is not a supporting cast of a broken down 40 year old players.

If we were to roll out a line up of

Donovan
Brunson
RJ
Randle
M Rob

I'd argue they potentially can match up to the Celtics, Heat, Bulls & Bucks. Are they winning a championship - doubtful. But you have to get there first- and I'd like the move if what we give up is fair.

The Knicks lineup of D.Rose Quickley Grimes Obi and Sims could outperform and outscore a NO DEFENSE lineup of Brunson Mitchell Barrett Randle and MitchRob in every practice.

franco12 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Deleted post. Near senior moment

your not alone. Donovan Mitchell, Mitchell Robinson.

How cool would it be the Kings traded D.Fox for Spida and we had a Donovan and Davison Mitchell backcourt in the NBA

franco12 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Deleted post. Near senior moment

your not alone. Donovan Mitchell, Mitchell Robinson.

Its my fault. Read too fast. Sometimes when you speed read, you end up missing the point.

Apologies to NYStateOfMind. It was a well written post, should have read more carefully.

Agree that we should be cautious. I was in favor of the Melo trade. He was statistically the most clutch player in the league, at the time. I believe. Not many of the subsequent moves. Or Melo not willing to take less on his last deal, to bring in another star.

Agree with the OP that putting all our eggs in one basket, has its consequences. Is this the player we want to see the Knicks go all in on?

I would say no.

TPercy wrote:Mitchell got hard diffed by Brunson and isn’t a good fit here. I’d pass tbh and just see what RJ Grimes and Reddish can do.

I agree. For what Utah is asking, I would pass on him until the price comes down. I would put an offer on the table of Toppin, Fournier, and maybe Reddish, and 4 1st round picks. If Utah can find a better deal, then so be it. Mitchell has too many flaws to trade our whole team away for him.

This deal reeks of Melo trade. The Knicks need to take on a mantra similar to 76ers “Trust the Process”. The Knicks need to “Trust the Youth”. How about doing what Golden State does and try to replicate. “Strength in Numbers”. Which if they stand pat would be developing towards.

Another reason is D Mitch isn’t a defensive guard. He is undersized for an sg. The Knicks would be a small Backcourt. Which I can see as a liability. I would rather go after Bradley Beal who I think makes for a better fit since we have assets to trade it as someone mentioned SGA. It would cost the Knicks a lot less in trade and allows them to develop and save picks for other players that they can target.