Would not agree in giving up a substantial return for them. We just need to build with the core we have now.

and frank showed sufficient promise in his rookie year that the knicks went for a sf with great promise rather than a pg that seemed to replicate frank's strengths

did anyone really have a crystal ball back then

MaTT4281 wrote:I don't have any remorse on Donovan - I saw 1 article at draft time pushing for the Knicks to take him (following an interview with Pitino). Everywhere else I saw the cries for DSJ to be the pick. He flew under the radar and other teams passed on him too. It happens. Good for Utah.

Knox is a different story - I recall some chatter on SGA, but Mikal Bridges was pretty widely viewed as the safe pick. Knicks took a homerun swing and whiffed. At least we got Mitch that draft!

I never like this "what if" game, because then you have to get into the Buttefly Effect. You take Mitchell in 2017, you're picking different slots next years. What if we followed that with Grayson Allen, Darius Bazley, and Udoka Azubuike (Utah's next 3 picks)?

I like our group of RJ/Quick/Obi/Mitch/Grimes. At worst, we've come away with rotation players several years in a row, which is something you can't always take for granted.

yeah well who was so hyped on being safe at that point. knox destroyed miles bridges in one-on-one workouts, shredded the summer league and was the only rookie besides luca and trae to take rookie of the month honors that year. all signs were of his being the right pick till his entire career headed into the toilet

MS wrote:Bridges was the big mistake. He was your 3/D winner and starting wing for a decade. Easy selection.

some folks said that at the time and were proven right. others questioned his ceiling and whether a team with so many holes were better off gambling on the younger player with higher potential

Marv wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:I don't have any remorse on Donovan - I saw 1 article at draft time pushing for the Knicks to take him (following an interview with Pitino). Everywhere else I saw the cries for DSJ to be the pick. He flew under the radar and other teams passed on him too. It happens. Good for Utah.

Knox is a different story - I recall some chatter on SGA, but Mikal Bridges was pretty widely viewed as the safe pick. Knicks took a homerun swing and whiffed. At least we got Mitch that draft!

I never like this "what if" game, because then you have to get into the Buttefly Effect. You take Mitchell in 2017, you're picking different slots next years. What if we followed that with Grayson Allen, Darius Bazley, and Udoka Azubuike (Utah's next 3 picks)?

I like our group of RJ/Quick/Obi/Mitch/Grimes. At worst, we've come away with rotation players several years in a row, which is something you can't always take for granted.

yeah well who was so hyped on being safe at that point. knox destroyed miles bridges in one-on-one workouts, shredded the summer league and was the only rookie besides luca and trae to take rookie of the month honors that year. all signs were of his being the right pick till his entire career headed into the toilet

Not necessarily disagreeing. Only point is that there was a pretty large crowd calling for Mikal and that he's panned out.

I don't watch enough college ball for my vote to matter one way or the other, nor do I care about the what ifs. I'm hoping Cam winds up better than either!

KnickDanger wrote:

TLover wrote:swings back to 2 players we could have drafted and are rumored to be trading for: Donovan Mitchell & Shai Gilous-Alexander.

Would not agree in giving up a substantial return for them. We just need to build with the core we have now.

Oh you were the guy that said to pick them.

Not my job to pick them; the owner allowed a of couple empty suits to make those picks. So ease up

TLover wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

TLover wrote:swings back to 2 players we could have drafted and are rumored to be trading for: Donovan Mitchell & Shai Gilous-Alexander.

Would not agree in giving up a substantial return for them. We just need to build with the core we have now.

Oh you were the guy that said to pick them.

Not my job to pick them; the owner allowed a of couple empty suits to make those picks. So ease up

Not easing up on revisionist whiners, sorry. It’s called the “Monday Morning Quarterback” syndrome. So easy to second guess, but if it was your first guess, well then okay.

BTW if we had taken those guys then what? Would the then FO and coaching staff wrecked them as well? And then what? Would we have Mitch, RJ, Grimes, Sims, Brunson, IQ, Obi, etc.? I don’t know and neither do any of us.

His rookie year, Knox showed that he had the ability to get buckets. Especially from 3. Got the "offensive rookie of the month". Probably got that wrong.

The next step for him IMO was an improved dribble, and mid-range game. Still possible, sorry to see it didnt happen in NY.

He basically never recovered from Zion's rip and dunk as someone else pointed out here recently.

And maybe in the right scenario Frankie would have been better? LOL?
Every team makes mistakes. They get magnified by other teams success.

That was then and this is now.