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TPercy
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6/30/2022  6:46 PM
This thread caught my eye and I wasn't sure if it warranted its own thread but I thought it weave it into a larger disucssion about Grimes. I have big expectations for him to eventually take over the Bullock role, but offer even more offensively. We all saw how much impact Bullock had for a WCF team. Just imagine what a fully developed version of this guy could do?
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6/30/2022  7:23 PM
Looking for a big step forward with Grimey next season to go with the same from IQ, RJ, and Obi. Plus the newbies.
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7/1/2022  4:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2022  4:18 AM
I can honestly say that I see him as the 3rd most valuable player on the team behind Brunson and RJ. Expanding his game with a bit more passing and driving would allow him to become a triple threat at the 3 point line and could put him in a conversation for an all-star slot in a couple of years.
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7/1/2022  7:25 AM
Hope you’re right because what we saw last season was ok
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7/1/2022  8:38 AM
Glue guy with still much to prove. Not ready to hand him the keys but im good with him in the rotation. I think he can be starting if we got good value for EF. Question is who is off the bench to back him up or if EF gets injured and Grimes gets the nod?
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7/1/2022  8:42 AM
Grimes has legit John Starks potential. He's got a good size, hops, skills, power... he's got the mind and body. Could be a real gem for years to come
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7/1/2022  8:53 AM
Nalod wrote:Glue guy with still much to prove. Not ready to hand him the keys but im good with him in the rotation. I think he can be starting if we got good value for EF. Question is who is off the bench to back him up or if EF gets injured and Grimes gets the nod?
All in due time.

Grimes might be better suited to a first unit with RJ and Randle in a Bullock-like role.

Fournier might be better in a freewheeling 2nd unit with Rose, Quickley, and Obi. (The 2nd unit role would give Grimes more opportunity to grow his game with in-game experience)

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7/1/2022  10:38 AM
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Glue guy with still much to prove. Not ready to hand him the keys but im good with him in the rotation. I think he can be starting if we got good value for EF. Question is who is off the bench to back him up or if EF gets injured and Grimes gets the nod?
All in due time.

Grimes might be better suited to a first unit with RJ and Randle in a Bullock-like role.

Fournier might be better in a freewheeling 2nd unit with Rose, Quickley, and Obi. (The 2nd unit role would give Grimes more opportunity to grow his game with in-game experience)

Not a bad point. My assumption is 18mm for back up and veteran expectations while rostered is my thought.
Grimes can ball all that which we hype but he is not. I give him great ceiling to grow. We’ll know more when the roster is finalized. I very much can see either or both involved in a trade scenario.
I think Grimes given his salary has great value both on the court and as a chip. At the same TIme Im not down on EF as some are and saw progress in his play as he was more familiar with the team and schematics. We assume plug and play too often and players need time to acclimate. last year was very even for the team but he played well in second half of year. My opinion enough to his contract value and given inflating salaries his is not as obscene as some depict. Same for Randle. But we all have our thoughts.
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technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Glue guy with still much to prove. Not ready to hand him the keys but im good with him in the rotation. I think he can be starting if we got good value for EF. Question is who is off the bench to back him up or if EF gets injured and Grimes gets the nod?
All in due time.

Grimes might be better suited to a first unit with RJ and Randle in a Bullock-like role.

Fournier might be better in a freewheeling 2nd unit with Rose, Quickley, and Obi. (The 2nd unit role would give Grimes more opportunity to grow his game with in-game experience)

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7/1/2022  11:38 AM
I hope Grimes has higher levels to his game. He looked solid but it is too soon to tell whether he is someone who can blossom into a consistent 20pt scorer. This is another reason why the Knicks traded Burks. We have to give the young guys minutes this year, and we probably should be looking to move EF too.
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7/1/2022  11:52 AM
How many two way players do we have on the team? RJ is one. Grimes is another. McBride is the third. That's all. That's what it takes to build a winner. Our backcourt/ wing is set for now with Brunson/Grimes/RJ. The center position is solid too with Mitch/Frankenstein/Simms. The only question mark is Randle. How times have changed, right? Grimes will be all that. I have no doubt about it
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7/1/2022  12:09 PM
technomaster wrote:
Nalod wrote:Glue guy with still much to prove. Not ready to hand him the keys but im good with him in the rotation. I think he can be starting if we got good value for EF. Question is who is off the bench to back him up or if EF gets injured and Grimes gets the nod?
All in due time.

Grimes might be better suited to a first unit with RJ and Randle in a Bullock-like role.

Fournier might be better in a freewheeling 2nd unit with Rose, Quickley, and Obi. (The 2nd unit role would give Grimes more opportunity to grow his game with in-game experience)

Correct....And when you look at the team or starting 5 from a defensive perspective, the picture is clear why Grimes should start next to Brunson instead of Fournier. That's also why I didn't like Kemba / Fournier. I knew defensively it would be a disaster. With Grimes, you gain defense and you don't lose offense or 3 pt shooting.

Currently, Brunson, RJ and Randle are not great defenders. Now add EF to our starting 5 and our defense drops. Add Grimes to our starting 5 and we get an uptick in defense.

I'm afraid of Brunson and EF in our backcourt, reminds me of Kemba and EF. Whenever they was on the floor together, our defense looked bad and it put pressure on Randle and Mitch. We need guards with enough latteral quickness to stop or slow down penetration into the paint.

So lets hope Grimes can make his way into the starting unit soon, replacing EF. In reality, Thibs and the FO will probably start EF again this year. And whenever we sub EF out, I bet our defense jumps up, regardless who comes in off the bench.

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7/1/2022  5:25 PM
fishmike wrote:Grimes has legit John Starks potential. He's got a good size, hops, skills, power... he's got the mind and body. Could be a real gem for years to come

Starks was faster. Maybe grimes develops into a better shooter
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7/2/2022  12:13 PM
fishmike wrote:Grimes has legit John Starks potential. He's got a good size, hops, skills, power... he's got the mind and body. Could be a real gem for years to come

We haven’t seen seen enough of Grimes to be comparing him to Starks. As of now probably Landry Fields 2.0.

As for we haven’t seen the best of Grimes let’s hope we even see him play. The way roster is shaping out probably spot duty at best.
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7/2/2022  12:21 PM
Philc1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Grimes has legit John Starks potential. He's got a good size, hops, skills, power... he's got the mind and body. Could be a real gem for years to come

Starks was faster. Maybe grimes develops into a better shooter

Grimes actually looks like the better athlete
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7/2/2022  1:08 PM
I finally checkout this thread and now I see people advocating for the same changes I advocated for last year. It seems to have been better received this time. The Brunson/EF backcourt seems to present similar issues(to a lesser extend due to more healthy knees) on defense that the Kemba/EF backcourt did on defense. It was why I wanted to start Grimes in place of EF last season. EF is also better when he does more than spot up from 3. So getting him away from Point Randle would have also helped utilize more of his game.
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7/4/2022  8:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/4/2022  8:15 AM
fishmike wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Grimes has legit John Starks potential. He's got a good size, hops, skills, power... he's got the mind and body. Could be a real gem for years to come

Starks was faster. Maybe grimes develops into a better shooter

Grimes actually looks like the better athlete

He may be stronger but Starks was quicker especially on defense. People forget how good a defender John was he’d play effective defense against Guards who were 3-5 inches taller than him

The guy on the roster who is most like Starks is IQ
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7/4/2022  9:21 AM
Clean wrote:I finally checkout this thread and now I see people advocating for the same changes I advocated for last year. It seems to have been better received this time. The Brunson/EF backcourt seems to present similar issues(to a lesser extend due to more healthy knees) on defense that the Kemba/EF backcourt did on defense. It was why I wanted to start Grimes in place of EF last season. EF is also better when he does more than spot up from 3. So getting him away from Point Randle would have also helped utilize more of his game.

If I recall you wanted to Bench IQ due to his shooting after the first 5 games last year and replace his minutes with Grimes.
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foosballnick wrote:
Clean wrote:I finally checkout this thread and now I see people advocating for the same changes I advocated for last year. It seems to have been better received this time. The Brunson/EF backcourt seems to present similar issues(to a lesser extend due to more healthy knees) on defense that the Kemba/EF backcourt did on defense. It was why I wanted to start Grimes in place of EF last season. EF is also better when he does more than spot up from 3. So getting him away from Point Randle would have also helped utilize more of his game.

If I recall you wanted to Bench IQ due to his shooting after the first 5 games last year and replace his minutes with Grimes.

Not exactly sure what that has to do with this topic but yes I wanted to bench Quick for a game or two when he was in the middle of a big slump. Maybe if we would have done that we would have seen the value of Grimes a little sooner.

Since it seems like you don't believe I had this take on EF I will show some receipts of the relevant parts of my previous posts.

November 21st 2021
"I also still have faith in EF. I think he will play better if he is in a role that fits him more. Like RJ I think he would play better instantly with the bench. "

November 13th 2021
"If I were the coach I would want to experiment with the rotation to see if different combinations can unlock some of the struggling players."

"We need to break up EF and Kemba because their Defense is too bad to play both at the same time. How would Burks looks replacing EF as a starter? Could Grimes help as a starter but just given short time to limit the EF/Kemba pairing some? So many questions that we will never have answers to because we never try anything different."


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