Interesting trade offer. It really depends on if the Kings see Sabonis as a center or PF. Toppin is a good young PF with the potential to be a 20 point scorer. I personally don't think the Kings bite on this trade if they believe Ivey is special. What do people think about this offer?

BigDaddyG wrote:I saw this thrown out on RealGM: Randle, 11, next year's Dallas pick and two pick swaps for #4 and probably Barnes. I 5hink I would do that if Ivey is still on the board.

i would do it .

smackeddog wrote:I'm not even entertaining this as it's just going to disappoint me more on draft day when we draft a role player and/or trade down to do so. Rose in danger of becoming Danny Ainge-esq with the 'almost trades' that never seem to happen!

Would love it if it happened though- I always think of that quote that GM's/teams are either selling results or hope- we have neither at the moment, so a trade like this gives us clear direction (hope) rather than the 'tread water and hope a star becomes available' (while being a limbo fringe playoff team with late lottery to mid first round picks)

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not even entertaining this as it's just going to disappoint me more on draft day when we draft a role player and/or trade down to do so. Rose in danger of becoming Danny Ainge-esq with the 'almost trades' that never seem to happen!

Would love it if it happened though- I always think of that quote that GM's/teams are either selling results or hope- we have neither at the moment, so a trade like this gives us clear direction (hope) rather than the 'tread water and hope a star becomes available' (while being a limbo fringe playoff team with late lottery to mid first round picks)

hard to argue with the bold... they are a very conservative FO.

Not for me. Last 2 years the FO hasn't had the right opportunity to strike, that's very different than being conservative. They are plodding to an extent but I think it's more calculated than conservative as well.

When you don't have bullets, you can shoot the gun. The Knicks now have some bullets. We shall see where it goes.

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not even entertaining this as it's just going to disappoint me more on draft day when we draft a role player and/or trade down to do so. Rose in danger of becoming Danny Ainge-esq with the 'almost trades' that never seem to happen!

Would love it if it happened though- I always think of that quote that GM's/teams are either selling results or hope- we have neither at the moment, so a trade like this gives us clear direction (hope) rather than the 'tread water and hope a star becomes available' (while being a limbo fringe playoff team with late lottery to mid first round picks)

hard to argue with the bold... they are a very conservative FO.

Not for me. Last 2 years the FO hasn't had the right opportunity to strike, that's very different than being conservative. They are plodding to an extent but I think it's more calculated than conservative as well.

When you don't have bullets, you can shoot the gun. The Knicks now have some bullets. We shall see where it goes.

Maybe we trade Fournier or Burks but you knows its gonna be Randle/RJ/Mitch etc. I hope you are right but I got a hard vibe we are running it back next year (and good chance that's the right move)

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not even entertaining this as it's just going to disappoint me more on draft day when we draft a role player and/or trade down to do so. Rose in danger of becoming Danny Ainge-esq with the 'almost trades' that never seem to happen!

Would love it if it happened though- I always think of that quote that GM's/teams are either selling results or hope- we have neither at the moment, so a trade like this gives us clear direction (hope) rather than the 'tread water and hope a star becomes available' (while being a limbo fringe playoff team with late lottery to mid first round picks)

hard to argue with the bold... they are a very conservative FO.

Not for me. Last 2 years the FO hasn't had the right opportunity to strike, that's very different than being conservative. They are plodding to an extent but I think it's more calculated than conservative as well.

When you don't have bullets, you can shoot the gun. The Knicks now have some bullets. We shall see where it goes.

50-$60mm in cap space isnt bullets? They didnt attack any impact FAs, they resigned guys and added role players. I have liked their drafts but they have surely played it safe. If that's not conservative I dont know what it is... I actually dont have a problem with it tbh, but I think I am calling it like I see it.

Maybe we trade Fournier or Burks but you knows its gonna be Randle/RJ/Mitch etc. I hope you are right but I got a hard vibe we are running it back next year (and good chance that's the right move)

What big Free Agent is targeting a 20 win team? Who were the big names out there and why would they come to the Knicks over where they ended up?

And not for nothing, but the Knicks turned that 20 win season into 4th place in East.

Also if you watched video when J. Davis matched up with Ivey - he pretty much handled him overall. Not saying Ivey isn't going to be a really good player - but not sure we should lose picks and young players when we are already needing talent at most every position. And J. Davis/Mathurin could also be a really good player. We def need talent in bulk and don't think we should consolidate with parting with the younger players who are still developing.

The top 3 of Chet, Jabari and Pablo look like can't miss prospects.

It's pretty much a crapshoot after top 3 so will trust our FO and hope someone falls... almost always happens.

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm not even entertaining this as it's just going to disappoint me more on draft day when we draft a role player and/or trade down to do so. Rose in danger of becoming Danny Ainge-esq with the 'almost trades' that never seem to happen!

Would love it if it happened though- I always think of that quote that GM's/teams are either selling results or hope- we have neither at the moment, so a trade like this gives us clear direction (hope) rather than the 'tread water and hope a star becomes available' (while being a limbo fringe playoff team with late lottery to mid first round picks)

hard to argue with the bold... they are a very conservative FO.

Not for me. Last 2 years the FO hasn't had the right opportunity to strike, that's very different than being conservative. They are plodding to an extent but I think it's more calculated than conservative as well.

When you don't have bullets, you can shoot the gun. The Knicks now have some bullets. We shall see where it goes.

You may be right. One thing to keep in mind is that, so far, the FO seems to like going for value in the draft. Which seems to be by trading down and getting multiple picks then filling a need with a player they felt has fallen to them and represented good value.
However, as you mentioned, perhaps they have not seen a true difference maker within grasp who they felt was worth trading up for. Ivey may be one. Or maybe it was because it proved too costly to do so. Which may be the case with Ivey.