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Philc1
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4/24/2022  5:45 AM
2 old divas, barely play in the regular season. Kyrie essentially took the entire season off with his anti-vaxx crap. Home court advantage still matters in the nba. Chemistry, youth, energy and athleticism still matter
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4/24/2022  7:09 AM
Philc1 wrote:2 old divas, barely play in the regular season. Kyrie essentially took the entire season off with his anti-vaxx crap. Home court advantage still matters in the nba. Chemistry, youth, energy and athleticism still matter

totally agree. was lukewarm at the time we were supposedly in contention for them to join us.

KD almost looks washed up.

I don't understand why people are rooting against them & Brooklyn in the Celtic series- No Knick fan should ever root for Boston.

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4/24/2022  8:38 AM
Will these two "Stars" serve as a cautionary tale for The Knicks front office. The knicks are known to be on a hunt for our next superstar i think veteran stars who are actively trying to team up is a red flag in itself, these players however great they are knows that their games are starting to decline. Teaming up for them is self serving to cover up their decline. I hope the knicks front office will have some qualifications in trying to get a superstar, ideally i would like the next generation superstar to come, more aligned to the young knicks timeline. When Kyrie and KD chose the nets and they started acting like jerks putting down the knicks to stir some news their way, i felt the knicks dodged 2 bullets on those two, now with their performance this playoff, its just the icing on the cake. Just bring in young superstars not vets whose games are starting to decline.
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4/24/2022  9:01 AM
Part of this could also be on Nash - miss him doing some soccer commentary, he may be headed back:

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/04/24/nets-celtics-kevin-durant-steve-nash

The biggest mismatch of this series is in the coaching box. Ime Udoka is dominating. This is Phil Jackson vs. John Calipari. Joe Torre vs. Grady Little. Bill Parcells vs. Rich Kotite. It’s become embarrassing. Brooklyn’s offense is a steady diet of isolations. Movement is minimal. They set screens to create switches, but in those situations Boston’s defense doesn’t miss a beat.

Nash’s job security wasn’t in question coming into this series. Now it would be a miracle if he survived it.
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4/24/2022  9:20 AM
franco12 wrote:Part of this could also be on Nash - miss him doing some soccer commentary, he may be headed back:

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/04/24/nets-celtics-kevin-durant-steve-nash

The biggest mismatch of this series is in the coaching box. Ime Udoka is dominating. This is Phil Jackson vs. John Calipari. Joe Torre vs. Grady Little. Bill Parcells vs. Rich Kotite. It’s become embarrassing. Brooklyn’s offense is a steady diet of isolations. Movement is minimal. They set screens to create switches, but in those situations Boston’s defense doesn’t miss a beat.

Nash’s job security wasn’t in question coming into this series. Now it would be a miracle if he survived it.

yup. Nash is getting worked...but, if you believe reports, this falls on Durant and Irving as well cause this is the guy they wanted.

Boston has definitely taken Durant out of the game but NONE OF THIS would be happening if the Nets never make that Harden trade. To me, THAT TRADE has been their biggest downfall.

Having Levert, Allen and Prince sure would look good right about now.

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4/24/2022  9:52 AM
This is about Tatum being a beast, and better than Durant. This is about Kyrie being Kyrie - a self absorbed guy who can not let it be about the team. This is about Smart and the rest of the Celtics playing incredible defense
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4/24/2022  12:06 PM
franco12 wrote:Part of this could also be on Nash - miss him doing some soccer commentary, he may be headed back:

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/04/24/nets-celtics-kevin-durant-steve-nash

The biggest mismatch of this series is in the coaching box. Ime Udoka is dominating. This is Phil Jackson vs. John Calipari. Joe Torre vs. Grady Little. Bill Parcells vs. Rich Kotite. It’s become embarrassing. Brooklyn’s offense is a steady diet of isolations. Movement is minimal. They set screens to create switches, but in those situations Boston’s defense doesn’t miss a beat.

Nash’s job security wasn’t in question coming into this series. Now it would be a miracle if he survived it.

Nash is the scapegoat for this meltdown but yes it’s on those diva clowns KD and Kyrie

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4/24/2022  12:09 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:Will these two "Stars" serve as a cautionary tale for The Knicks front office. The knicks are known to be on a hunt for our next superstar i think veteran stars who are actively trying to team up is a red flag in itself, these players however great they are knows that their games are starting to decline. Teaming up for them is self serving to cover up their decline. I hope the knicks front office will have some qualifications in trying to get a superstar, ideally i would like the next generation superstar to come, more aligned to the young knicks timeline. When Kyrie and KD chose the nets and they started acting like jerks putting down the knicks to stir some news their way, i felt the knicks dodged 2 bullets on those two, now with their performance this playoff, its just the icing on the cake. Just bring in young superstars not vets whose games are starting to decline.

The 2 years or so prior to summer 2019 when KD and Kyrie were rumored to be coming here — not only did I never believe they were serious but I knew they were a second round exit at best. Kyrie is a shoot first pg who needs the ball in his hands. KD is a volume scorer who needs the ball in his hands. KD is getting old and was coming off an Achilles


These 2 clowns are 1 twitter tirade from demanding a trade out of there

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4/24/2022  1:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/24/2022  1:45 PM
franco12 wrote:Part of this could also be on Nash - miss him doing some soccer commentary, he may be headed back:

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/04/24/nets-celtics-kevin-durant-steve-nash

The biggest mismatch of this series is in the coaching box. Ime Udoka is dominating. This is Phil Jackson vs. John Calipari. Joe Torre vs. Grady Little. Bill Parcells vs. Rich Kotite. It’s become embarrassing. Brooklyn’s offense is a steady diet of isolations. Movement is minimal. They set screens to create switches, but in those situations Boston’s defense doesn’t miss a beat.

Nash’s job security wasn’t in question coming into this series. Now it would be a miracle if he survived it.

And why/ how did Nash become Coach? Because Kyrie and KD didn't like their previous one (Kenny Atkinson), and once he was fired, KD wanted Nash because he had a great relationship with him from the Warriors. Meanwhile Kyrie hated Nash being made coah and welcomed him by saying the Nets didn't really have or need a head coach after he'd been hired. Likely D'Anotini bailed as assistant head because of Kyrie too- and he's just what they need at the moment to help fathom out a better offense. Just imagine the press coverage of the past few years if they'd signed with the Knicks back then!

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4/24/2022  2:05 PM
i'm enjoying every single f'g moment of this
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4/24/2022  3:27 PM
Marv wrote:i'm enjoying every single f'g moment of this

Same

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4/24/2022  11:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/24/2022  11:50 PM
Philc1 wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:Will these two "Stars" serve as a cautionary tale for The Knicks front office. The knicks are known to be on a hunt for our next superstar i think veteran stars who are actively trying to team up is a red flag in itself, these players however great they are knows that their games are starting to decline. Teaming up for them is self serving to cover up their decline. I hope the knicks front office will have some qualifications in trying to get a superstar, ideally i would like the next generation superstar to come, more aligned to the young knicks timeline. When Kyrie and KD chose the nets and they started acting like jerks putting down the knicks to stir some news their way, i felt the knicks dodged 2 bullets on those two, now with their performance this playoff, its just the icing on the cake. Just bring in young superstars not vets whose games are starting to decline.

The 2 years or so prior to summer 2019 when KD and Kyrie were rumored to be coming here — not only did I never believe they were serious but I knew they were a second round exit at best. Kyrie is a shoot first pg who needs the ball in his hands. KD is a volume scorer who needs the ball in his hands. KD is getting old and was coming off an Achilles


These 2 clowns are 1 twitter tirade from demanding a trade out of there

OF course you knew. YOur awesome!

Truth s boston is just a better team and played really great after a slow start with new coach.
NEts are not “losing”. They are getting beaten by a better team.
Did they do us a favor?
As much as they lack results, the still finished better than us. Not sure what your celebrating. I don’t even know why any knick fan is watching them.

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4/25/2022  12:38 PM
With due respect to those who are above the pettiness some such as myself indulge in as regards the Nets...I am tickled pink at the possibility of a first round exit for these "bus riders" (as Sir Charles puts it). I root against all the super teams. I am wired petty that way.

I also continue to grind an axe as to the "Knicks Clowning" of not too far back. There was a troika of events -- the KP trade, not "winning" the lottery for Zion, and then not signing KD and Kyrie. In the aftermath of being dragged across the coals as a laughingstock, it turns out those worked out fairly well for the Knicks. KP was such a steal for the Mavs that they dumped him for big contracts and we still have another pick coming to go with IQ (won't mention Randle as that will be what the mob will jump on -- oops). Of course losing the lottery is not the fault of the FO but that didn't stop the wolves from circling. And KD and Kyrie's performances speak for themselves.

But there is no owning of any of this by fans which is to be expected, or their media zookeepers, which if also expected I still find repugnant. Can you imagine the reaction to a broke ass maxed KP, or fat Zion not suiting up? And forget Kyrie's nonsensical BS. And then there is the matter of Douchebag Durant being on the books for FOUR MORE years. At 43 to 50 plus mil.

My pettiness is cold comfort but it's all I have.

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4/25/2022  12:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/25/2022  12:55 PM
KnickDanger wrote:With due respect to those who are above the pettiness some such as myself indulge in as regards the Nets...I am tickled pink at the possibility of a first round exit for these "bus riders" (as Sir Charles puts it). I root against all the super teams. I am wired petty that way.

I also continue to grind an axe as to the "Knicks Clowning" of not too far back. There was a troika of events -- the KP trade, not "winning" the lottery for Zion, and then not signing KD and Kyrie. In the aftermath of being dragged across the coals as a laughingstock, it turns out those worked out fairly well for the Knicks. KP was such a steal for the Mavs that they dumped him for big contracts and we still have another pick coming to go with IQ (won't mention Randle as that will be what the mob will jump on -- oops). Of course losing the lottery is not the fault of the FO but that didn't stop the wolves from circling. And KD and Kyrie's performances speak for themselves.

But there is no owning of any of this by fans which is to be expected, or their media zookeepers, which if also expected I still find repugnant. Can you imagine the reaction to a broke ass maxed KP, or fat Zion not suiting up? And forget Kyrie's nonsensical BS. And then there is the matter of Douchebag Durant being on the books for FOUR MORE years. At 43 to 50 plus mil.

My pettiness is cold comfort but it's all I have.

LOL, yeah. Its not much but I get you……

My neutral view?

KD tore his heal and Nets signed him and shelved him for a year. For the most part he has held up his part of the bargain. KD is a freak, a linear thinking hoop junkie.

Kyrie? Dude is a flake. His mates like him enough. Fans were frustated by his idiocy and flake like persona. Covid came after and in true style he mucked it up. Still, dude can hoop.

Harden? Would we have had the goods to get him? Doubt it. Not a factor. Same for Simmons.
Nets in the KD era better than Us? Kind of.

Only thing they mucked up was Letting Jared Allen go. Should have tried harder. Easy to say in the aftrmath.
Did KD embarass us? I think so.
I want knicks to beat nets on the court and higher in the standings. And let me add I want both to be competing, not celler dwellers. Games that matter. Not playing for territorial bragging rights.

I want them to eliminate them from playoffs.

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4/25/2022  1:50 PM

Ben Simmons Rumors: People Exasperated by This Saga; PG Had Genuine Optimism to Play

The Brooklyn Nets continue to be frustrated by Ben Simmons as the guard will miss Monday's game against the Boston Celtics.

"The people involved here are exasperated by this saga because that is what it is," ESPN's Brian Windhorst said Monday on Get Up. "I got the feeling yesterday that it was like waving a white flag."

Simmons hasn't played all season but was expected to return for Game 4 of the first-round series Monday before being ruled out due to back issues on Sunday, via Shams Charania of Stadium and The Athletic.

Windhorst provided the latest in the situation:

"I know that this might have the appearance of Ben Simmons saying 'I don't want to play, we're down 3-0.' But, he woke up yesterday with his back hurting, that is what I have been told. It's as simple as that. He just didn't feel comfortable going to play for the first time in 11 months with the way his back felt. That's the bottom line. It's extraordinarily disappointing because he had, I would say, genuine optimism for at least a week that he was going to play in this game. He wasn't even ruling himself out for Game 3. And so, the Nets were expecting to get this, he was expecting to play. It was another knee-capping moment in what's been a season of knee-capping moments for Ben Simmons."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033858-ben-simmons-rumors-people-exasperated-by-this-saga-pg-had-genuine-optimism-to-play


I do joke with my clients that mental health and back injuries are quite similar- both very unpredictable when it comes to figuring out how what's causing them, how to treat them, a seeming epic quest to find someone or something that helps and in the meantime, after a while people believe you're faking them Simmons is unlucky in that he gets both so he's going to get double the trouble and backlash! Someone should really have stepped in sooner and just told him to keep quiet until he's actually able to play, why allow the hype to build up?

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4/25/2022  2:12 PM
Nalod wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:With due respect to those who are above the pettiness some such as myself indulge in as regards the Nets...I am tickled pink at the possibility of a first round exit for these "bus riders" (as Sir Charles puts it). I root against all the super teams. I am wired petty that way.

I also continue to grind an axe as to the "Knicks Clowning" of not too far back. There was a troika of events -- the KP trade, not "winning" the lottery for Zion, and then not signing KD and Kyrie. In the aftermath of being dragged across the coals as a laughingstock, it turns out those worked out fairly well for the Knicks. KP was such a steal for the Mavs that they dumped him for big contracts and we still have another pick coming to go with IQ (won't mention Randle as that will be what the mob will jump on -- oops). Of course losing the lottery is not the fault of the FO but that didn't stop the wolves from circling. And KD and Kyrie's performances speak for themselves.

But there is no owning of any of this by fans which is to be expected, or their media zookeepers, which if also expected I still find repugnant. Can you imagine the reaction to a broke ass maxed KP, or fat Zion not suiting up? And forget Kyrie's nonsensical BS. And then there is the matter of Douchebag Durant being on the books for FOUR MORE years. At 43 to 50 plus mil.

My pettiness is cold comfort but it's all I have.

LOL, yeah. Its not much but I get you……

My neutral view?

KD tore his heal and Nets signed him and shelved him for a year. For the most part he has held up his part of the bargain. KD is a freak, a linear thinking hoop junkie.

Kyrie? Dude is a flake. His mates like him enough. Fans were frustated by his idiocy and flake like persona. Covid came after and in true style he mucked it up. Still, dude can hoop.

Harden? Would we have had the goods to get him? Doubt it. Not a factor. Same for Simmons.
Nets in the KD era better than Us? Kind of.

Only thing they mucked up was Letting Jared Allen go. Should have tried harder. Easy to say in the aftrmath.
Did KD embarass us? I think so.
I want knicks to beat nets on the court and higher in the standings. And let me add I want both to be competing, not celler dwellers. Games that matter. Not playing for territorial bragging rights.

I want them to eliminate them from playoffs.


In complete agreement on bolded. My distaste for the Nets has nothing to do with territory -- I always liked the Nets going back to the Buck Williams days. Even faint memories of Dr. J. Knicks beating them where it counts would be far more satisfying than my petty grudge satisfaction.

Durant is an awesome all time great on the floor that would have loved to see in a Knick uniform at one point. But screw 'im.

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4/26/2022  3:03 AM
Had the Nets not traded Harden, it would have been a completely different story.
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4/26/2022  8:19 AM
Have to say the energy in Dallas for the game last night was infectious.
I did not watch a minute of Nets/Celtics. Celtics/knicks have not played a significant game since we eliminated them 9 years ago and even that was tainted by our arrogance as we taunted there pride.

Garnet and Pierce for sure going to nets ruined any chance for most knick fans to at least be neutral.
As for Celts, I find it hard to hate them these days. They have done nothing to us.
I know Hawks are the object of hate given last years playoff exit but fact is they were superior to us and Trae rose up and took the stage. Not a fan, but respect is due when earned.

Its on knicks to create the proper competitive environment and succeed. Another teams lose does nothing for me.
Fucking redsox winning a few series took the fun out of their 100 year old streak. They had the Celts, we had the yanks. Seemed like the gods worked it out. Then Sowx won a few and Brady gave them some good ones.

God Bless Eli.

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4/26/2022  8:25 AM
Wonder what Simmons trade value is now, seems like the Nets might look to move him if they can
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4/26/2022  8:46 AM

Good luck with that!

Did Kyrie and KD do us a favor?

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