And yes I would love to see IQ run the show as the lead guard. He’s very grounded, likable by team mates. And his chemistry with Obi is crazy. They should be a package deal for next season. IQ and Obi is better than IQ and Randle.

Keep Burks as a utility knife and rose as a stop gap. Deuce in training plus deuce will be good in practice assuming he will guard IQ. Deuce defense will get better and that will force the guards to step up in practice. Plus I think IQ is one of the few young guards Rose doesn’t mind backing up due to their relationship. IQ and Obi…..it’s the easiest decision a front off can make.

Randle is a dog. But team chemistry is more important for a young squad.

He's everything we hoped for with Frank.

His energy has always been great, but down the stretch channeled stronger into the team concepts. I think that has been the thing we fault Thibs for with his short leash.

I don't think he is a natural pg, and going into next season with just IQ, Rose and McBride as your PG is still asking for problems, but if he can start the year and sustain it like he finished, less culpable than I felt last year coming in with Kemba, Rose and IQ & a 2nd round unproven draft pick.

I still say, if the choice in the first round is a PG like TyTy and an equal or perhaps slightly better talent- go with the PG.

ESOMKnicks wrote:

franco12 wrote:I think Quick might be our best player, talent wise.

He's everything we hoped for with Frank.

His energy has always been great, but down the stretch channeled stronger into the team concepts. I think that has been the thing we fault Thibs for with his short leash.

I don't think he is a natural pg, and going into next season with just IQ, Rose and McBride as your PG is still asking for problems, but if he can start the year and sustain it like he finished, less culpable than I felt last year coming in with Kemba, Rose and IQ & a 2nd round unproven draft pick.

I still say, if the choice in the first round is a PG like TyTy and an equal or perhaps slightly better talent- go with the PG.

I think the natural PG thing is overrated. Half of the NBA championship teams in the last 20 years were not run by natural PGs. IQ can certainly be better than the likes of KCP, Fish or Chalmers.

And I agree. My point is if we go into next year with IQ as part of the PG solution with Rose and McBride, we're still rolling the dice that Rose can play games and that IQ can sustain his play over a full year. I can see IQ taking a giant leap next year and us getting into the play offs. But with Rose at his age, you still need help at the position long term.

fishmike wrote:100% yes to IQ as the starter next year, and that is not an emotional call, its a tactical one.

His shot and overall eff% still lack (although his post all star #s are fantastic). He's very streaky there and hopefully that improves, but the reason he should be the starter is the other things he does. He's really become a complete player and just keeps getting better.

1) He's a + defender. Gambles less, attacks more, is in the right places at right times. Really showing good IQ and improvement here. Hangs in passing lanes. Still some dopey fouls but better on close outs.
2) His decisions with the ball (telegraphing passing and picking up the dribble) have wildly improved and I think are now pretty dependable.
3) His rebounding for a guard is great. This really helps our bigs (especially Obi)
4) He's Immanuel Phucking Quickley

Quick is the man. Living in Maryland I raved about Quick since draft day to all my local MD friends. Told them to look out for quick, he’s pretty good. Ironically nobody knew anything about him. He must have been under the radar prior to his Kentucky days.

IQ is a prototypical PG in todays game. Scoring threat is an advantage. How he scores is a bigger advantage (inside and out). So his assist may not be as high as other pass first guards (if they even exist anymore). But his impact on the defense is an understatement. You have to guard his jumper, his drives and his floater. And don’t forget his lobs once he enters the paint. And his defense has always been underrated. In todays nba, teams are playing 2 PGs sometimes. So it’s good to have that flexibility in IQ. I think he’s the perfect leader for this young team.

Uptown wrote:Even if Quickley isn't a starter, would like to see him in the Herro and or prime Lou Williams Role where he's getting 25-30 minutes a night off the bench.

Yup yup

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:100% yes to IQ as the starter next year, and that is not an emotional call, its a tactical one.

His shot and overall eff% still lack (although his post all star #s are fantastic). He's very streaky there and hopefully that improves, but the reason he should be the starter is the other things he does. He's really become a complete player and just keeps getting better.

1) He's a + defender. Gambles less, attacks more, is in the right places at right times. Really showing good IQ and improvement here. Hangs in passing lanes. Still some dopey fouls but better on close outs.
2) His decisions with the ball (telegraphing passing and picking up the dribble) have wildly improved and I think are now pretty dependable.
3) His rebounding for a guard is great. This really helps our bigs (especially Obi)
4) He's Immanuel Phucking Quickley

And I agree...Quick should be running the show next season! If we are serious about building chemistry, culture, and cohesion, it makes ton of sense. We finally have a core of homegrown talent, let them build!

franco12 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

franco12 wrote:I think Quick might be our best player, talent wise.

He's everything we hoped for with Frank.

His energy has always been great, but down the stretch channeled stronger into the team concepts. I think that has been the thing we fault Thibs for with his short leash.

I don't think he is a natural pg, and going into next season with just IQ, Rose and McBride as your PG is still asking for problems, but if he can start the year and sustain it like he finished, less culpable than I felt last year coming in with Kemba, Rose and IQ & a 2nd round unproven draft pick.

I still say, if the choice in the first round is a PG like TyTy and an equal or perhaps slightly better talent- go with the PG.

I think the natural PG thing is overrated. Half of the NBA championship teams in the last 20 years were not run by natural PGs. IQ can certainly be better than the likes of KCP, Fish or Chalmers.

And I agree. My point is if we go into next year with IQ as part of the PG solution with Rose and McBride, we're still rolling the dice that Rose can play games and that IQ can sustain his play over a full year. I can see IQ taking a giant leap next year and us getting into the play offs. But with Rose at his age, you still need help at the position long term.

I kinda would not mind staying with IQ-Rose-McBride, short of trading for a superstar PG. Getting Brunson might be a good idea, but I still do not see him as the PG that will change our fortunes and mold us into a championship team. I somehow like the concept of NOT having a specific point man, where guards are just guards, and ball-handling duties are shared between them and the small forward. Smacks of Phil's triangle philosophy, but it worked! That's how they did it on the Jordan, Kobe, Wade and LeBron teams, the shoot or pass threat could come from almost anyone.

Now, let's just go out there and find our Jordan-Kobe-Wade-LeBron. ;-)

Philc1 wrote:Why does there have to be a false dilemma fallacy? We can still trade for and/or draft a pg while IQ still gets minutes off the bench running point next season

Just please no more 35 minutes a night of Alec Burks dribble, dribble than
Pass to Randle for ISO

In order not to have that next season we got two choices:
A) Obtain a veteran PG
Or
B) Trade Burks

Otherwise you know Thibs, he is just going to go back to his comfort zone which is starting Burks at the PG for better or worse, in good times or bad