Nerlens was the main leverage we had going into this year. He was neck and neck with Mitch for the starting job last year, was phenomenal in 2021, and came back on a very reasonable deal.

I'm all in on re-signing Mitch. Noel can certainly mitigate the loss, but we'll cringe a little more watching Nerlens' tiny hands down low after the season Mitch gave us.

JesseDark wrote:That's a good assessment but I view Nerlens, when healthy, as more of a weak side defender getting blocks. When we didn't have Mitch last year in the playoffs and Noel was the primary big defender Clint Cappella of the Hawks was dominating like Shaq.

Respect the time line. Norlens play the whole series? He was banged up. Capella went against Taj for a lot o the time. Norlens played 92 min over the series. Capella 169 minutes. Taj 138minutes. Norlens fragility is an issue. He is a back up and paid like one.

(Elf just 13 minutes, LOL…….Rose played 175 min, Randle 180min)

Mitch has options. So do we. One is resign mitch for 5 years and he just mails it in and goes sidways. There are reasons we did not lock him up we might not know. I have to respect that to some degree. 4 years and he has no offense three feet from the rim. This is not John Thompson holing back ewing for the greater good is it?

Knixkik wrote:I appreciate mitch and want to keep him.

That being said, if Knicks are picking in the 10-12 range than Mark Williams is a very good option in the draft as a player that does most of what Robinson does but also offers some more upside offensively. He’s a good free throw shooter and has shown some flashes of a couple of post moves. He’s an nba ready starter.

If so we can draft him and let him walk.
We can finagle a trade draft night to grab him or another? All before he can walk.
I like Mitch but trying to keep an open mind to the realities of the roster and his anticipated ceiling.. Chemestry matters. Steve Adams trade Memphis made really did great things. They also Got young Zaire Williams in what seemed like a beneficial NOLA trade. To their credit, they had a good turnaround after a disastrous start!

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I appreciate mitch and want to keep him.

That being said, if Knicks are picking in the 10-12 range than Mark Williams is a very good option in the draft as a player that does most of what Robinson does but also offers some more upside offensively. He’s a good free throw shooter and has shown some flashes of a couple of post moves. He’s an nba ready starter.

I don't know about a lot of the college kids that will be drafted but am coming up to speed.

The one thing I'd guess that the Knicks would consider when drafting - and taking into account the Mitch situation - is whether to draft a Mitch replacement or another wing player who would just be best talent. I think wing players will be best talent in this draft within the 10-15 range but maybe I'm off.

Drafting a kid like Mark Williams as a replacement for Mitch would be a huge step back for the Knicks IMHO versus just a little of an overpay for Mitch. Most all of the kids drafted will take min 3 years to come up to speed on both defense and PnR guy and lob threat. With Mitch you at least know what he can do and how he does it - and so do the players on the court with him - in spite of all his obvious flaws.

I think the Knicks will keep Mitch and wouldn't be surprised at a little of an overpay situation just to keep him.

Someone better than me help fill this list:

1st tier Jokic, Embiid, KAT, Gobert, Bam, Ayton.
2nd tier: Allen, Mobley, Capela, Vucevic, Myles Turner, Adams, Valancunias, Robert Williams.

Mitch fits in the 2nd tier near the end? I wasn't trying to rank them in order necessarily but it kinda came out that way'ish.

Mitch can dominate every other rebounding night of all the other teams, it's like half the league.

I guess I could have added CWoods on the list so Briggs doesn't freak out

I hear you and its a good point. We take step back but if we not really winning with Mitch, and we sign him to deal not tradable down the line its a contact we have to live with for 4-5 years.
Root for the suns to win it all as we could put a squeez for ayton with a max offer if they balk, they are forced to a trade. Mitch plus……..Two first rounds protected of course?
How we look with Brunson and Ayton on this team with Randle, RJ and Evan?

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I appreciate mitch and want to keep him.

That being said, if Knicks are picking in the 10-12 range than Mark Williams is a very good option in the draft as a player that does most of what Robinson does but also offers some more upside offensively. He’s a good free throw shooter and has shown some flashes of a couple of post moves. He’s an nba ready starter.

I don't know about a lot of the college kids that will be drafted but am coming up to speed.

The one thing I'd guess that the Knicks would consider when drafting - and taking into account the Mitch situation - is whether to draft a Mitch replacement or another wing player who would just be best talent. I think wing players will be best talent in this draft within the 10-15 range but maybe I'm off.

Drafting a kid like Mark Williams as a replacement for Mitch would be a huge step back for the Knicks IMHO versus just a little of an overpay for Mitch. Most all of the kids drafted will take min 3 years to come up to speed on both defense and PnR guy and lob threat. With Mitch you at least know what he can do and how he does it - and so do the players on the court with him - in spite of all his obvious flaws.

I think the Knicks will keep Mitch and wouldn't be surprised at a little of an overpay situation just to keep him.

Someone better than me help fill this list:

1st tier Jokic, Embiid, KAT, Gobert, Bam, Ayton.
2nd tier: Allen, Mobley, Capela, Vucevic, Myles Turner, Adams, Valancunias, Robert Williams.

Mitch fits in the 2nd tier near the end? I wasn't trying to rank them in order necessarily but it kinda came out that way'ish.

Mitch can dominate every other rebounding night of all the other teams, it's like half the league.

I guess I could have added CWoods on the list so Briggs doesn't freak out

I hear you and its a good point. We take step back but if we not really winning with Mitch, and we sign him to deal not tradable down the line its a contact we have to live with for 4-5 years.
Root for the suns to win it all as we could put a squeez for ayton with a max offer if they balk, they are forced to a trade. Mitch plus……..Two first rounds protected of course?
How we look with Brunson and Ayton on this team with Randle, RJ and Evan?

That lineup you mentioned would be incredible.

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I appreciate mitch and want to keep him.

That being said, if Knicks are picking in the 10-12 range than Mark Williams is a very good option in the draft as a player that does most of what Robinson does but also offers some more upside offensively. He’s a good free throw shooter and has shown some flashes of a couple of post moves. He’s an nba ready starter.

I don't know about a lot of the college kids that will be drafted but am coming up to speed.

The one thing I'd guess that the Knicks would consider when drafting - and taking into account the Mitch situation - is whether to draft a Mitch replacement or another wing player who would just be best talent. I think wing players will be best talent in this draft within the 10-15 range but maybe I'm off.

Drafting a kid like Mark Williams as a replacement for Mitch would be a huge step back for the Knicks IMHO versus just a little of an overpay for Mitch. Most all of the kids drafted will take min 3 years to come up to speed on both defense and PnR guy and lob threat. With Mitch you at least know what he can do and how he does it - and so do the players on the court with him - in spite of all his obvious flaws.

I think the Knicks will keep Mitch and wouldn't be surprised at a little of an overpay situation just to keep him.

Someone better than me help fill this list:

1st tier Jokic, Embiid, KAT, Gobert, Bam, Ayton.
2nd tier: Allen, Mobley, Capela, Vucevic, Myles Turner, Adams, Valancunias, Robert Williams.

Mitch fits in the 2nd tier near the end? I wasn't trying to rank them in order necessarily but it kinda came out that way'ish.

Mitch can dominate every other rebounding night of all the other teams, it's like half the league.

I guess I could have added CWoods on the list so Briggs doesn't freak out

I hear you and its a good point. We take step back but if we not really winning with Mitch, and we sign him to deal not tradable down the line its a contact we have to live with for 4-5 years.
Root for the suns to win it all as we could put a squeez for ayton with a max offer if they balk, they are forced to a trade. Mitch plus……..Two first rounds protected of course?
How we look with Brunson and Ayton on this team with Randle, RJ and Evan?

That lineup you mentioned would be incredible.

so many things need to happen for this to happen but its fun to discuss a path.

Evan’s salary would need to be moved. I know we **** on him but his salary is about avg for the position and he is durable. Compare to Timmy Jrs new contract, or Heild. Evan is ok here. Grimes could fill nice as a starter and his cap is great. It also makes him a good trade chip.
PHX takin Mitch and Randle would be nice. Jae Crowder run has to end sometime and Randle is a big upgrade there. On paper they get a former allstar/starter on a decent contract. Can OBI full time get it done?
I know the Randle haters would like that but im not convinced.
Brunson is a unresticted FA and getting him could be much easier if he wants it. Dallas need not match.
Perhaps we need to reach in and burn some picks to make the above possible and thin the cupboard.

I’d like to see Randle as 3-4th option on a winning team. Gone is grumpy Randle but return of “we here”.
Im not that down on him as some as life is not always even. He can come back from this.

This is a starphuch scenario but a boy can dream…..

houston20 wrote:Mitch hasn't been really great this year he been average this once goes against great big guys he wet the bed embid,jocic, jarret allen, adre drummond, jarret allen, nick vucic, ayton, and gobert. Look at last night mitch robinson got out played by mosses brown last night and this guy i want to give big money i don't think so . Mitch is averaging 8.4 point and 8.5 rebounds and i not give him 20 million a season for that production and on his 7 agent he needs to grow up. The contract i would give and i am been very nice and fair 4 years 50 million take it or leave it.

This is the argument for just drafting duren or mark Williams and starting fresh at the center position.

Part of the problem with Mitch is he's not a great fit with Randle. However he IS a great fit with RJ an Obi. His strength is crashing the offensive board which is is wildly effective and impactful. He needs work on both sides of the ball but he does some things that are pretty elite/impactful and he's a great fit with RJ/Obi

This roster has so many holes, how can you willingly create another one?