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knicks1248
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11/14/2004  4:15 PM
It may have hinderd sweets progression, but the fit would have been like a glove. The more I see him play, the more I think what fools some were to relly think this guy was done. And the more minutes he plays the more he's returning to his old self. He would still be the best defensive big man we have and best rebounder who requires a double down low, He would also be good help for sweets.

This team as some really bad flaws in the front court, and reguardless of sweetneys solid play thus far, the refs aren't giving him any slack, and yesterdays ticky tack foul was evident of that. Had that been and experience Vet, O Neal surely would have been whislte for the foul instead of in favor of him.

On another note, Why is IT hell bent on bringing the bulls players ( who have all under achieved) to the knicks. It's not as if these guys weren't getting playing time in order to prove themselves.

Maybe he's just stock piling or something, but if I'm IT, why wouldn't he make a simple trade like NAZY and JYD, for Ratliff and his 11 mill contract which has One year left on it.
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11/14/2004  4:31 PM
Ratliff and his 11 mill contract which has One year left on it.

Ratliff signed an extension, I believe for 5 years (corrections?). Portland isn't letting him go anytime soon.
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11/14/2004  4:39 PM
huh?

are you kidding me?

let's look at the overall situation first, shall we...

- layden pretty much made dice his franchise player
- dice was coming off 2 knee surgeries
- he gets hurt right off the bat and is out another 1 1/2 years, his 3rd surgery
- our franchise was built around a PF with 3 surgeries who's entired game is built on his athleticism
- layden gets fired and isiah wanted to get his own franchise player nad thought dice was dead wood and avoid a potential disasterous offseason with him

so now, you think we should've brought back a PF with 3 knee surgeries who we traded away? and people that think he was done are "fools"?

this is crazy.

this is total hindsight is 20/20.

if you were the GM, would you have brought him back after 20 games with the suns, especially with the frontcourt we have where we couldn't afford to bring in somebody that could get hurt and be out for the remainder of the deal?

what happens in 2 months, if dice cracks his knee again and his career is finished? would you still want to have signed him? is that a risk a GM should take with a relatively weak front court?

i wouldn't but i guess that makes me a fool.
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11/14/2004  4:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

huh?

are you kidding me?

let's look at the overall situation first, shall we...

- layden pretty much made dice his franchise player
- dice was coming off 2 knee surgeries
- he gets hurt right off the bat and is out another 1 1/2 years, his 3rd surgery
- our franchise was built around a PF with 3 surgeries who's entired game is built on his athleticism
- layden gets fired and isiah wanted to get his own franchise player nad thought dice was dead wood and avoid a potential disasterous offseason with him

so now, you think we should've brought back a PF with 3 knee surgeries who we traded away? and people that think he was done are "fools"?

this is crazy.

this is total hindsight is 20/20.

if you were the GM, would you have brought him back after 20 games with the suns, especially with the frontcourt we have where we couldn't afford to bring in somebody that could get hurt and be out for the remainder of the deal?

what happens in 2 months, if dice cracks his knee again and his career is finished? would you still want to have signed him? is that a risk a GM should take with a relatively weak front court?

i wouldn't but i guess that makes me a fool.

your absolutely right, thing is theres a thing called impatient dumbazzes who see one good came where he goes 18 pts 12 boards and forget the other games in det and suns where he avg 6 boards 4 pts some shizit like that. damn some of u jump the gun toooo early
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11/14/2004  5:25 PM
If you guys would be honest about Being the GM, you wouldn't have rushed Dice back in NY period. Problem was NY trying to make him the savior, they rushed him back with the added pressure of him playing like an all-star as soon as he came back. In phoenix they allowed him to rehab and come back at his own pace and now in Detroit Dumar saw a vet who still had game left. Rasheed Wallace said Dice looks like his old self now. IMHO Antonio McDyess is more athletic now than Penny Hardaway who's making 14 million to be a 7th or 8th man off the bench.
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11/14/2004  5:33 PM
Posted by playa2:

If you guys would be honest about Being the GM, you wouldn't have rushed Dice back in NY period. Problem was NY trying to make him the savior, they rushed him back with the added pressure of him playing like an all-star as soon as he came back. In phoenix they allowed him to rehab and come back at his own pace and now in Detroit Dumar saw a vet who still had game left. Rasheed Wallace said Dice looks like his old self now. IMHO Antonio McDyess is more athletic now than Penny Hardaway who's making 14 million to be a 7th or 8th man off the bench.

If you are honest about it, trading for McDyess was beyond stupid. Drafting Wilcox, Stoudemire, or Nene would have made far more sense.
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11/14/2004  5:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

huh?

are you kidding me?

let's look at the overall situation first, shall we...

- layden pretty much made dice his franchise player
- dice was coming off 2 knee surgeries
- he gets hurt right off the bat and is out another 1 1/2 years, his 3rd surgery
- our franchise was built around a PF with 3 surgeries who's entired game is built on his athleticism
- layden gets fired and isiah wanted to get his own franchise player nad thought dice was dead wood and avoid a potential disasterous offseason with him

so now, you think we should've brought back a PF with 3 knee surgeries who we traded away? and people that think he was done are "fools"?

this is crazy.

this is total hindsight is 20/20.

if you were the GM, would you have brought him back after 20 games with the suns, especially with the frontcourt we have where we couldn't afford to bring in somebody that could get hurt and be out for the remainder of the deal?

what happens in 2 months, if dice cracks his knee again and his career is finished? would you still want to have signed him? is that a risk a GM should take with a relatively weak front court?

i wouldn't but i guess that makes me a fool.
I couldn't agree more with that post.... oh yeah and not drafting Ron Artest was dumb too... Dice still has a chance of getting injured, and I swear, if Isiah signed Dice using the MLE during the offseason, all of you would be crying, "Fire Isiah!" what kind of randomness is this? Oh, yeah, and all those teams that didn't draft Jordan when they had the chance were idiots too...
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11/14/2004  6:47 PM
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11/14/2004  10:45 PM
Posted by Nalod:

"the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round.

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11/14/2004  11:09 PM
yeah im sure Isiah would bring in Dice after what Dice said about Isiah after the marbury trade and I'm sure Dice will want to play for Isiah again
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11/14/2004  11:58 PM
Dumars gave Dice a workout and was monitoring the progress of his medical closely before signing him, IT could at least have done the same instead of going to bed with Bin Baker (I've really soured big time on him). However Detroit was under the cap and would have offered big money compared to our MLE, and besides IT pretty much burned his bridges with Dice by trading him away I doubt Dice would consider listening to any pitch from NY.
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11/15/2004  9:50 AM
didn't dice sign a 3 year/$20 mil deal?

we could not have offered that if we wanted to. this whole argument is moot and very narrow minded based on the whole story surrounding him being a knick and his departure.
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11/15/2004  10:11 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't dice sign a 3 year/$20 mil deal?

we could not have offered that if we wanted to. this whole argument is moot and very narrow minded based on the whole story surrounding him being a knick and his departure.
He got a 4 year MLE deal with a team option on the fifth year
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11/15/2004  12:45 PM
First of all IT wasn't that big on trading dice, The suns wanted Cap relief and therefor he was part of the deal.

Dice also said at the end of the season that he would listen if IT was interested, because he wanted to prove NY that he still had game.

I'm certainly not looking at his previous ( best game of the season so far) and making a point because of it. I have been watching him play since he started getting consistant minutes with the suns and his progress has been absolutely flawless.

You want to sit here and tell me that VIN, JYD and NAZY are more productive then Dice could be, then your fooling your damn self. Three absolutley Back ups, who don't even warrent single coverage farless double. Nazy is a complete idiot when your talking about defense,He's hardly ever in a position to help defend, and his man usually beats him a will.
JYD is a solid defender and energy guy but Sucks at putting the ball in the basket, and TIN Baker is as soft as pumpkin pie, and has the heart of the cowardly LION.

Even with Naz posting career high #s his Impact was equivelent to Moochi Norris. These kind of stats are so misleading it's not even Funny...
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11/15/2004  1:13 PM
i'm not disputing #'s here or who's the better player. as a GM, you have to see whether taking a risk on a player like dice is worth it for your franchise. dumars has quality depth in the frontcourt, more than any other team, so he can take a risk and sign dice. if dice rides the pine or goes down again, they're still solid. we have NO depth. so signing dice means he'll have to be a major contributor or it's a bust. it's very simple. we couldn't afford to take the gamble. dice is way better than nazr or vin but why take a $20+ mil risk?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11/15/2004 13:13:48]
knicks1248
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11/15/2004  1:24 PM
Why take a 20 million dollor risk, Dude DR> Norman scott is a joke of a pyhsician.

Come on dude risk is everything life, the bigger the risk the bigger the reward. How many Risk as IT taken since his got here.

Steph for the good he's done as yet to show leadership in any of his 7 prior seasons, all of his prior teams have done well without him, they've actully done better. So that was a risk.

Nazy, and Tim haven't done anything to make that deal look remotely sane. So that was a risk.

Belive me, dice's future looks a lot brighter then our entire front court
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11/15/2004  1:38 PM
Well, I want to start off by saying that Knicks1248 is absolutely right, in that resigning Dice would have helped us very much, especially with our porious interior Defense. However, NOBODY realized that this was going to be the season of the comebacks (Hill, Dice, ZO) and that Dice would be a solid player in the low post, like he is now. We can't kill IT for not resigning him, b/c we just didn't know how he would have progressed. Heck, who's to say that he's 100% healthy RIGHT NOW. (Knock hard on wood for all 3 of those guys). Hence, I really think we just need to move on. It wasn't a bad move not resigning him, but it would have been nice if we did.

Speaking of "Season of the comebacks"; Why isn't Vin Baker joining his buddies Grant, Antonio and ALonzo in this whole thing. I guess he's anti-social or something.
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11/15/2004  3:35 PM
i guess Vin's waiting until next year when he's no longer a Knick to make his surprise comeback, so we can all complain about how we missed the boat in re-signing him as well.
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djsunyc
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11/15/2004  3:44 PM
allanfan, it is the season of the comebacks..........for 2 weeks at least.

knicks1248 - it's a difference of opinion. i wouldn't take the risk and you would. i just think you're totally dismissing the details that led up to him being with the suns and available this offseason anyway. it's not a black and white sign him or don't situation. heck, why didn't the suns resign him, or any other team bid for his services? he just kinda signed up with detroit without any hoopla. it would've been a different story here, especially with the history between isiah and dice. but whatever, we're on opposites of the fence on this one.
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11/15/2004  5:15 PM
The premise of this thread is ridiculous.
IT would never have brought back a guy that
his predecessor hung his hat on as his signature trade
and who was weighing down the organization.

Plus, if he makes it thru the season playing more than 20 mins per game without blowing out another knee I'll eat my hat.
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