ramtour420 wrote:First of all a big FU to Thibs for having RJ in there at the end of a blow out. That has been his thing all along and I hate that. I have soured on Thibs and if he gets fired I would have zero regrets. Let him go be COY somewhere else. I don't care
Second. Why is RJ coming back not fully healed? WTF is this garbage? Are we making a playoff push? This is tttteribbhle!!! Whoever is responsible for that decision should be fired on the spot. Why are we risking a chronic injury here? I am pissed.
Since I am ranting, third. Burks is back at PG duty. I have no words. I guess it helps our tank. But Thibs thinks it's gonna get us wins. Hello, it's reality on the line, may I please speak to coach Thibs? I am sorry, coach Thibs is currently unavailable as he is away in delusion land. Please call back next season.

Can you present your case for whom should be starting?
I read that RJ is sore. That he’ll see how it feels Thurs and Friday.
You really mad prior to him playing? Is he being pressured to play or not?

This season sucks. I won’t convince you to lay off of Thibs. You need this1

Is this good strategy? I don’t think so. Do I blame Thibs for Barrett getting hurt? Mostly yes. Not entirely since he can’t control injuries but it was totally avoidable.

This is the only route to the play-in though and the Knicks are responsible for doing their best to make it. They dug themselves in this hole. They are trying to get out.

Sucks.

ramtour420 wrote:First of all a big FU to Thibs for having RJ in there at the end of a blow out. That has been his thing all along and I hate that. I have soured on Thibs and if he gets fired I would have zero regrets. Let him go be COY somewhere else. I don't care
Second. Why is RJ coming back not fully healed? WTF is this garbage? Are we making a playoff push? This is tttteribbhle!!! Whoever is responsible for that decision should be fired on the spot. Why are we risking a chronic injury here? I am pissed.
Since I am ranting, third. Burks is back at PG duty. I have no words. I guess it helps our tank. But Thibs thinks it's gonna get us wins. Hello, it's reality on the line, may I please speak to coach Thibs? I am sorry, coach Thibs is currently unavailable as he is away in delusion land. Please call back next season.

fishmike wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:First of all a big FU to Thibs for having RJ in there at the end of a blow out. That has been his thing all along and I hate that. I have soured on Thibs and if he gets fired I would have zero regrets. Let him go be COY somewhere else. I don't care
Second. Why is RJ coming back not fully healed? WTF is this garbage? Are we making a playoff push? This is tttteribbhle!!! Whoever is responsible for that decision should be fired on the spot. Why are we risking a chronic injury here? I am pissed.
Since I am ranting, third. Burks is back at PG duty. I have no words. I guess it helps our tank. But Thibs thinks it's gonna get us wins. Hello, it's reality on the line, may I please speak to coach Thibs? I am sorry, coach Thibs is currently unavailable as he is away in delusion land. Please call back next season.

Knicks blow big leads... RJ is the best player. Burks is the guy the FO got Thibs in FA, along with Kemba, Rose and Noel. Those are the players the FO paid the coach to play. Are we blaming the coach for not using the end of the bench to have saved this season?

Reading your response - I am thinking you are missing some context. RJ was hurt in meaningless garbage time, a game they had lost in either the first half or 3rd quarter. Thibs for whatever reason put the starters back in, they made a good run, but were not winning and RJ was hurt, what in the last 2 minutes of a loss. RJ could have suffered the sprain whenever- but because it happened as it did, it magnifies a really poor decision by Thibs to play his starters.

And on the PG front, the front office also draft a young PG that has potential- why can't Thibs give him a bit more time adjusting to the NBA speed of play.

Let's recap, shall we?

The tank crowd clamoring for:
1) RJ to sit, because TANK DOCTORS ALL KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES RJ TO HEAL FROM AN ANKLE INJURY, and it's not now.
2) Deuce to go from Westchester to starting and playing 30 minutes a game (doesn't matter his stats in 20+ games suck)
3) Burks to be traded to anywhere or added to the Kemba shut down list (despite he's now 3rd best 3 pt shooter on the team, and the third best defender -- DBPM, DWS)
4) Play the end of the bench in REAL GAMES, because God forbid we think a COY would know what he has without seeing it sheehit/piss itself in real games. Despite the fact he seems to know what he has in IQ and Grimes, but lets forget that. WE THE TANK COMMANDERS NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT SEASON.

Yes indeedy, thank you martin, for giving the world this living, breathing forum as an example of why some people actually are coaches and FO people and others... are not.

franco12 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:COY.

Let's recap, shall we?

The tank crowd clamoring for:
1) RJ to sit, because TANK DOCTORS ALL KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES RJ TO HEAL FROM AN ANKLE INJURY, and it's not now.
2) Deuce to go from Westchester to starting and playing 30 minutes a game (doesn't matter his stats in 20+ games suck)
3) Burks to be traded to anywhere or added to the Kemba shut down list (despite he's now 3rd best 3 pt shooter on the team, and the third best defender -- DBPM, DWS)
4) Play the end of the bench in REAL GAMES, because God forbid we think a COY would know what he has without seeing it sheehit/piss itself in real games. Despite the fact he seems to know what he has in IQ and Grimes, but lets forget that. WE THE TANK COMMANDERS NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT SEASON.

Yes indeedy, thank you martin, for giving the world this living, breathing forum as an example of why some people actually are coaches and FO people and others... are not.

I don't think anyone concerned with RJ playing on his injured ankle is wanting him to sit because it will improve our draft position.

I'm concerned with hsi long term value and all we need is for him to ding the ankle worse or hurt something else.

His quote in the paper was he needed to play through the pain. That doesn't sound good. No, I am not a doctor, the opposite of a professional athlete. But I understand pain is not good and can cause athletes to compensate and hurt something else.

And can we at least agree that it just MIGHT be possible that a multi-billion dollar franchise that has entire hospital staffs at their disposal are not going to play a 21 year old kid and let him destroy his future ability to play the game, right?

Pain is not good, that is true, but the kid wants to play. If he sucks or overcompensates, and especially if people are blowing past him or he otherwise sucks on D, you know Thibs will pull him.

Imagine a world where a professional star NBA athlete actually thinks playing in games is important enough to do when he actually can.

jrodmc wrote:

franco12 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:COY.

Let's recap, shall we?

The tank crowd clamoring for:
1) RJ to sit, because TANK DOCTORS ALL KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES RJ TO HEAL FROM AN ANKLE INJURY, and it's not now.
2) Deuce to go from Westchester to starting and playing 30 minutes a game (doesn't matter his stats in 20+ games suck)
3) Burks to be traded to anywhere or added to the Kemba shut down list (despite he's now 3rd best 3 pt shooter on the team, and the third best defender -- DBPM, DWS)
4) Play the end of the bench in REAL GAMES, because God forbid we think a COY would know what he has without seeing it sheehit/piss itself in real games. Despite the fact he seems to know what he has in IQ and Grimes, but lets forget that. WE THE TANK COMMANDERS NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT SEASON.

Yes indeedy, thank you martin, for giving the world this living, breathing forum as an example of why some people actually are coaches and FO people and others... are not.

I don't think anyone concerned with RJ playing on his injured ankle is wanting him to sit because it will improve our draft position.

I'm concerned with hsi long term value and all we need is for him to ding the ankle worse or hurt something else.

His quote in the paper was he needed to play through the pain. That doesn't sound good. No, I am not a doctor, the opposite of a professional athlete. But I understand pain is not good and can cause athletes to compensate and hurt something else.

Ummm, read the post at the top of this page.

And can we at least agree that it just MIGHT be possible that a multi-billion dollar franchise that has entire hospital staffs at their disposal are not going to play a 21 year old kid and let him destroy his future ability to play the game, right?

Pain is not good, that is true, but the kid wants to play. If he sucks or overcompensates, and especially if people are blowing past him or he otherwise sucks on D, you know Thibs will pull him.

Imagine a world where a professional star NBA athlete actually thinks playing in games is important enough to do when he actually can.

Thibs wouldn't have to pull him had Thibs actually not put him out there in a blow out loss garbage time to twist his ankle in the first place - so yea, no, I don't trust Thibs to do 'the right' thing.

And historically, our medical team has arguably been the worst in the NBA.

ramtour420 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

franco12 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:COY.

Let's recap, shall we?

The tank crowd clamoring for:
1) RJ to sit, because TANK DOCTORS ALL KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES RJ TO HEAL FROM AN ANKLE INJURY, and it's not now.
2) Deuce to go from Westchester to starting and playing 30 minutes a game (doesn't matter his stats in 20+ games suck)
3) Burks to be traded to anywhere or added to the Kemba shut down list (despite he's now 3rd best 3 pt shooter on the team, and the third best defender -- DBPM, DWS)
4) Play the end of the bench in REAL GAMES, because God forbid we think a COY would know what he has without seeing it sheehit/piss itself in real games. Despite the fact he seems to know what he has in IQ and Grimes, but lets forget that. WE THE TANK COMMANDERS NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR NEXT SEASON.

Yes indeedy, thank you martin, for giving the world this living, breathing forum as an example of why some people actually are coaches and FO people and others... are not.

I don't think anyone concerned with RJ playing on his injured ankle is wanting him to sit because it will improve our draft position.

I'm concerned with his long term value and all we need is for him to ding the ankle worse or hurt something else.

His quote in the paper was he needed to play through the pain. That doesn't sound good. No, I am not a doctor, the opposite of a professional athlete. But I understand pain is not good and can cause athletes to compensate and hurt something else.

Ummm, read the post at the top of this page.

And can we at least agree that it just MIGHT be possible that a multi-billion dollar franchise that has entire hospital staffs at their disposal are not going to play a 21 year old kid and let him destroy his future ability to play the game, right?

Pain is not good, that is true, but the kid wants to play. If he sucks or overcompensates, and especially if people are blowing past him or he otherwise sucks on D, you know Thibs will pull him.

Imagine a world where a professional star NBA athlete actually thinks playing in games is important enough to do when he actually can.

You are not recapping my points, that's ok. Perhaps it's carryover from another thread. Not sure. You did refer to the post at the top of the page tho, thus introducing some confusion. Let me respond to the points that I made at the top of said page.
1)RJ to sit, has nothing to do with tanking, but because that's the prudent thing to do for athletes when they are hurt. Unless it's game seven of the Finals.
2) Deuce playing 30 minutes I never advocated for, just that perhaps it would not be worse to start him over Burks
3)Never said anything like that, just that he should go back to coming off the bench.
4)Yes, I think that playing anyone but Burks at starting PG would be beneficial at this point, because him starting has gotten us in this hole and because it would help with the development of the youth.

WTF is this garbage? Are we making a playoff push? This is tttteribbhle!!! Whoever is responsible for that decision should be fired on the spot.

If we're not making a playoff push, what are we doing? Well, boys and girls, that would be losing on purpose, which is commonly called tanking. You mentioned putting RJ on the court now would be akin to making a playoff push, right? If that's not what you meant, my bad.

My list in my OP was not directed at you specifically but to those passionately into tanking this season, so your responses aren't necessary or required, and you didn't address just about any point I made, but thanks anyway.

ramtour420 wrote:You are right, putting RJ in is trying to make a playoff push. I don't want to lose on purpose, not at this point and not in this draft. I only think that it's not worth risking RJ in the long run. I wish we could let him heal proper.

You literally have zero clue as to the extent of the injury or the extent of RJ's recovery from the injury.

But carry on about what you think is the right path for him to take.

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:You are right, putting RJ in is trying to make a playoff push. I don't want to lose on purpose, not at this point and not in this draft. I only think that it's not worth risking RJ in the long run. I wish we could let him heal proper.

You literally have zero clue as to the extent of the injury or the extent of RJ's recovery from the injury.

But carry on about what you think is the right path for him to take.

No - I think we have some clue about the extent of his injury:

Barrett said he still feels pain, but wanted to get through it mentally and thought he was “pretty close” to being back.

“It’s gonna be sore,” Barrett said. “But trying to just be mentally tough to get through that. I can move. I can move a little bit, so like I said, being able to go out there and practice and scrimmage and really do that, it was a good sign. I have another one [Thursday], so just gonna continue to see how it feels.”

https://nypost.com/2022/02/23/knicks-rj-barrett-derrick-rose-at-practice-with-returns-looming/

Great that he wants to go out and play. I am worried that if he has any kind of pain or discomfort in the ankle, that he might end up hurting it further, or more likely, potentially over compensate elsewhere and hurt another part of his lower body.

I get it - he is young, and many of us are old and when we have pain, it's a warning sign something could break!

But the concern is there - and I hope no one in the organization is putting any kind of pressure on him.

And with the history of our medical staff, not encouraged.