https://8points9seconds.com/2022/02/12/indiana-pacers-malcolm-brogdon-future/

He is frankly more suited to be a shooting guard operating as a secondary playmaker, but there is enough versatility in his game that he can cover a lot of roster holes for a team in the backcourt spots. He plays great defense generally, and although he is outmatched by speedier counterparts, he is a very tenable option to defend bigger guards and wings. Brogdon has also been Indiana’s closer for the bulk of his tenure with the franchise, though nagging injuries and intermittent absences have made him less effective in the grand scheme of things.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s a bit of any injury prone player but would be an excellent acquisition IF the price is right.

We are not a Jrue holiday away but he would be a marvelous addition if price is right. I DO NOT want to send out this years lottery pick but I’m willing to give one of the picks from 2023 one quality young player a future second and Kenna’s ending contract( and single contrazts to make the money right) want nothing to do with Myles turner

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Kemba Toppin 2023# 1 2027 #2 for Malcolm brogdon( has to be healthy) thoughts?

Essentially 3 #1 picks for a PG who is constantly hurt? Awful trade

It gets better as he is making slightly more than Evan Fournier.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s a bit of any injury prone player but would be an excellent acquisition IF the price is right.

We are not a Jrue holiday away but he would be a marvelous addition if price is right. I DO NOT want to send out this years lottery pick but I’m willing to give one of the picks from 2023 one quality young player a future second and Kenna’s ending contract( and single contrazts to make the money right) want nothing to do with Myles turner

As in
Kemba Toppin 2023# 1 2027 #2 for Malcolm brogdon( has to be healthy) thoughts?

Essentially 3 #1 picks for a PG who is constantly hurt? Awful trade

In some ways I also agree with you. But I think that would be the cost. The player when healthy wouod help us greatly

I think the Knicks operate this way. A good solid nba pg is going to help the Knicks.

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s a bit of any injury prone player but would be an excellent acquisition IF the price is right.

We are not a Jrue holiday away but he would be a marvelous addition if price is right. I DO NOT want to send out this years lottery pick but I’m willing to give one of the picks from 2023 one quality young player a future second and Kenna’s ending contract( and single contrazts to make the money right) want nothing to do with Myles turner

As in
Kemba Toppin 2023# 1 2027 #2 for Malcolm brogdon( has to be healthy) thoughts?

Essentially 3 #1 picks for a PG who is constantly hurt? Awful trade

In some ways I also agree with you. But I think that would be the cost. The player when healthy wouod help us greatly

I think the Knicks operate this way. A good solid nba pg is going to help the Knicks.

No not really, this is the way you operate and it's a massive overpay.

You haven't checked out the Pacers roster or what their salaries are. They just traded for Haliburton. They just drafted Duarte and they have Hield and McConnel on the roster. Haliburton, Duarte are the future and they will want to MOVE Brogdon to free up both salary and minutes. You start your negotiations at that point if you are trading FOR Brogdon.

Brogdon hurt all the time. 3 years left at $22m and he is not a needle mover.

You really think the pacers will need to pay to move brogdon? Unless he’s bot healthy they are gonna get paid trading him.
If healthy a restricted 1 a 2 and younger player is prob cost. Hopefully I’m wrong

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s a bit of any injury prone player but would be an excellent acquisition IF the price is right.

We are not a Jrue holiday away but he would be a marvelous addition if price is right. I DO NOT want to send out this years lottery pick but I’m willing to give one of the picks from 2023 one quality young player a future second and Kenna’s ending contract( and single contrazts to make the money right) want nothing to do with Myles turner

As in
Kemba Toppin 2023# 1 2027 #2 for Malcolm brogdon( has to be healthy) thoughts?

Essentially 3 #1 picks for a PG who is constantly hurt? Awful trade

In some ways I also agree with you. But I think that would be the cost. The player when healthy wouod help us greatly

I think the Knicks operate this way. A good solid nba pg is going to help the Knicks.

No not really, this is the way you operate and it's a massive overpay.

You haven't checked out the Pacers roster or what their salaries are. They just traded for Haliburton. They just drafted Duarte and they have Hield and McConnel on the roster. Haliburton, Duarte are the future and they will want to MOVE Brogdon to free up both salary and minutes. You start your negotiations at that point if you are trading FOR Brogdon.

Brogdon hurt all the time. 3 years left at $22m and he is not a needle mover.

You really think the pacers will need to pay to move brogdon? Unless he’s bot healthy they are gonna get paid trading him.
If healthy a restricted 1 a 2 and younger player is prob cost. Hopefully I’m wrong

I’m always surprised when teams like the Lakers give up great talent for an over the hill washed out former superstar.

If healthy, KP would be a future HOFer. How can we discern if he will be healthy? Look at his history?

He’s not shooting well from 3 this year. He is too close to 30. If I am trading for him, it’s because assets are attached and the deal is for the Pacers to clear cap. That’s me.

Panos wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s a bit of any injury prone player but would be an excellent acquisition IF the price is right.

We are not a Jrue holiday away but he would be a marvelous addition if price is right. I DO NOT want to send out this years lottery pick but I’m willing to give one of the picks from 2023 one quality young player a future second and Kenna’s ending contract( and single contrazts to make the money right) want nothing to do with Myles turner

As in
Kemba Toppin 2023# 1 2027 #2 for Malcolm brogdon( has to be healthy) thoughts?

Essentially 3 #1 picks for a PG who is constantly hurt? Awful trade

How does salary filler + 2 #1 picks + 1 #2 pick = 3 #1 picks?

because I read it wrong and don't know what BRIGGS short hand is. Still and awful deal

BRIGGS wrote:
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Kemba Toppin 2023# 1 2027 #2 for Malcolm brogdon( has to be healthy) thoughts?

Part of the issue here is Obi Toppin's trade value. There is some real push/pull here. To make Toppin more attractive to trade, he needs more minutes. The more minutes he gets, the more his defensive flaws ( big ones) are going to get exposed and then it's going to make him less attractive to other teams in a trade.

Right now Leon Rose and Thibs are playing chicken with each other. Thibs is daring Rose to fire him. If Rose fires him, he'll be firing a guy less than a year after winning COTY and helping this team to the playoffs after a long drought. Also the blame will turn to Rose's overall personnel decisions in FA that backfired. And while the Knicks are a cash rich team, Dolan likely won't be too pleased having to eat four years of a coaches contract because Leon Rose can't get along with a guy he chose to hire himself.

I'm not opposed to the idea of moving Toppin in a trade, but his trade wouldn't be the best path to do it.

I don't think the Knicks should be shedding draft assets at this point.

Even if Brogdon entered and played at a high level ( big If there), it doesn't change the issue that next season, the same core of the team is the same core of the team from this season that clearly doesn't operate well together.

Unless there is a trade, Randle, Walker, Fournier, Burks, Noel and DRose ( more of an injury risk than a performance risk at this point) are all returning and eating up a good chunk of cap.

If you want Brogdon, it has to be a "Challenge Trade", i.e. my preexisting problem for your preexisting problem. Not to add more cap but to convert already sunk cost cap in a player not panning out into hope a change of scenery helps both moving players in different locations.

ESOMKnicks wrote:We should trade for Brogdon only if it helps improve the team or its prospects. Trading Randle for Brogdon does not improve the team and its prospects. Giving up first round picks for Brogdon does not improve the team’s prospects. Therefore, Brogdon is not an obvious piece to pursue, unless the Pacers decide to give him up for next to nothing. In which case, you still wonder if he is worth it if no one expects any value for him. As we saw with Kemba, free lunches are very hard to come by.

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Moving off Randle is addition by subtraction.

Do you want a toxic selfish **** attitude lazy player near this team's future draftees and existing young players? Do you think any of Randle's behavior is helping the cause to develop Quickley, Toppin,Sims, McBride, Grimes and RJB?

I agree moving picks for Brogdon isn't the most practical move. However the Spurs, Pistons and Magic have open cap space this coming offseason.

Just offer Randle for a heavily protected 2nd round pick. Or a couple of 2nd round picks. Or a 2nd round pick and a fringe guy like Saben Lee. Basically offer Randle off the roster for nearly free. The trade exception coming back will be valuable and the Knicks can get some cap flexibility back and they can protect their young players from a truly toxic ball stopping shotjacking element that clearly doesn't want to be a Knick anymore.