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Caseloads
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2/9/2022  4:03 PM
We should have gone for derozan over kemba and EF. Money was about the same.
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fishmike
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2/9/2022  5:46 PM
yeah I said that several times. He would have been an impact scorer and great ball mover next to Jules/RJ.

We draft really well and could have filled roles with guys like McBride/Grimes to name a few.

Things UK members said:
Bad floor spacing with Randle
Not clutch
average defender
Doesnt fit timeline

I was willing to give good money to Norm Powell who also would have been great for the same reasons. We had steak money and bought cheeseburgers

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Philc1
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2/9/2022  6:57 PM
Do we also get Lonzo and the refs tonguing our scrotum every night too?
Caseloads
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2/9/2022  8:56 PM
fishmike wrote:yeah I said that several times. He would have been an impact scorer and great ball mover next to Jules/RJ.

We draft really well and could have filled roles with guys like McBride/Grimes to name a few.

Things UK members said:
Bad floor spacing with Randle
Not clutch
average defender
Doesnt fit timeline

I was willing to give good money to Norm Powell who also would have been great for the same reasons. We had steak money and bought cheeseburgers

So true, demar’s PER is 11th in the league
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2/9/2022  9:13 PM
Ok, then who is our starting Pg?

I don’t think Demar makes us a top team in the east,

The Bulls have Vucacic at Center which creates spacing for everyone on the floor, and they also have Ball a PG who can hit a 3 reliably which also creates spacing.

Knicks have neither. The Bulls have more depth than us.
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2/9/2022  9:32 PM
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Ok, then who is our starting Pg?

I don’t think Demar makes us a top team in the east,

The Bulls have Vucacic at Center which creates spacing for everyone on the floor, and they also have Ball a PG who can hit a 3 reliably which also creates spacing.

Knicks have neither. The Bulls have more depth than us.

see? they still believe
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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2/9/2022  9:44 PM
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Ok, then who is our starting Pg?

I don’t think Demar makes us a top team in the east,

The Bulls have Vucacic at Center which creates spacing for everyone on the floor, and they also have Ball a PG who can hit a 3 reliably which also creates spacing.

Knicks have neither. The Bulls have more depth than us.

But we were better than the Bulls last year. How did they just leapfrog us in one offseason?
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2/9/2022  10:39 PM
franco12 wrote:
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Ok, then who is our starting Pg?

I dont think Demar makes us a top team in the east,

The Bulls have Vucacic at Center which creates spacing for everyone on the floor, and they also have Ball a PG who can hit a 3 reliably which also creates spacing.

Knicks have neither. The Bulls have more depth than us.

But we were better than the Bulls last year. How did they just leapfrog us in one offseason?

Easy.

They got my #1 FA PG who I created an Offseason thread about in Lonzo Ball.

Lonzo Ball + DeMar DeRozan vs. Kemba Walker/Evan Fournier 😆 is what made all the difference in the world.

Give Chicago both Kemba and Fournier and NY...

C: Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: DeMar DeRozan.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Lonzo Ball.

+ our Bench unit.

And we're probably the #1 seed and no less than a guaranteed top 3 seed right now.

Kemba Walker and especially Evan Fournier (atrocious Defense) ruined our season despite how many NY fans claim tell me they "didn't".
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2/9/2022  11:47 PM
Caseloads wrote:We should have gone for derozan over kemba and EF. Money was about the same.

Agreed. I was very high on him. Not every day a perennial allstar is available in free agency. I get that he overlaps Randle somewhat in terms of spacing, but he was a huge miss. He could have been the closer and takeover guy we needed, and Randle could have gone back to doing what he is best at.
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2/10/2022  3:38 AM
NYKMentality wrote:
franco12 wrote:
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Ok, then who is our starting Pg?

I dont think Demar makes us a top team in the east,

The Bulls have Vucacic at Center which creates spacing for everyone on the floor, and they also have Ball a PG who can hit a 3 reliably which also creates spacing.

Knicks have neither. The Bulls have more depth than us.

But we were better than the Bulls last year. How did they just leapfrog us in one offseason?

Easy.

They got my #1 FA PG who I created an Offseason thread about in Lonzo Ball.

Lonzo Ball + DeMar DeRozan vs. Kemba Walker/Evan Fournier 😆 is what made all the difference in the world.

Give Chicago both Kemba and Fournier and NY...

C: Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: DeMar DeRozan.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Lonzo Ball.

+ our Bench unit.

And we're probably the #1 seed and no less than a guaranteed top 3 seed right now.

Kemba Walker and especially Evan Fournier (atrocious Defense) ruined our season despite how many NY fans claim tell me they "didn't".

I wanted Ball too. It also seems to dispel the notion that we have to win inn order to be attractive to FA. They went elsewhere, to the Bulls who had been the same door mat we had been.
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2/10/2022  4:03 AM
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As a sucker for the more soap opera story lines of the NBA... If DeRozan and Lowry ever made a pact that they would reunite and try to win a championship together, NY can get them pretty close, signing each guy for about 25 million and slotting them into a roster better than any they had in Toronto.

Anyone who predicted this should put up your old posts.
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2/10/2022  8:51 AM
Chemistry. Didn’t the press laugh and say “who plays defense for bulls?”
there were sign and trades. Can’t just superimpose things as equal.
derozen wanted to be in La day one in free agency. that matter in the hindsight regret reality thing?
How would he have impacted RJ’s growth?
Derozen with randle, not Lavine?
Vooch opens things up. We have mitch? Does that matter?
WE wanted players to shoot from outside. Derozen is not a long range shooter.
Neither is Lonzo.
Bulls Had Vooch and lavine in place.
Bulls and knnicks not equal or the same. Outcome cannot be assumed.
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2/10/2022  10:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  10:14 AM
franco12 wrote:
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Ok, then who is our starting Pg?

I don’t think Demar makes us a top team in the east,

The Bulls have Vucacic at Center which creates spacing for everyone on the floor, and they also have Ball a PG who can hit a 3 reliably which also creates spacing.

Knicks have neither. The Bulls have more depth than us.

But we were better than the Bulls last year. How did they just leapfrog us in one offseason?

In addition to signing Derozan they also signed Ball.


Derozan’s peaked for them similar to how Amare went completely nuts for us half a season after we signed him. a year from now they will be begging teams to take his contract
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2/10/2022  10:30 AM
DeRozan was a free agent. He didn’t sign here. Ball, DeRozal and Levine wanted to play together and they made it happen. Why is it o policed the Derozan and Ball wanted Chicago? What top tier FA’s want to come here to ‘save’ the Knicks. It looks like Derozan made the right decision even if it sucks for us.
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2/10/2022  10:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  10:35 AM
You guys are also missing that the bulls didn’t just sign Derozan. They also traded a first round pick for him


As much as everyone is on the bulls jock right now if they bump into the nets in round 1 their season is over. And they are now locked into a long term deal with a 32 year old player and lost a first round pick
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2/10/2022  10:40 AM
I agree with others on this thread that Ball was the real target we missed on. He is the perfect Thibs player and would have satisfied the PG position while fitting in age-wise with most of our up and comers. I think FO was concerned about lack of offense if they went that route.
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2/10/2022  11:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  11:19 AM
i mean knicks management is forever in shambles but...the biggest issue is that there is no leader or culture changer.

you all didn't want lowry or van vleet at their price point but those guys are leaders and culture setters. champions and lead guards for winning teams.

you talk derozan and ball - these guys aren't culture setters either - derozan is great but he's a scorer that doesn't necessarily lift the entire team (it was lowry all those years in toronto) and ball is a beta.

now youre all in on brunson. maybe he can be that guy b/c usually it's the pg that makes the biggest impact but he's a poor man's van vleet *at best*...so buyer beware there too. but that's a better target than whatever you all did this past summer.
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2/10/2022  11:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  12:45 PM
Easy version - neither Ball or DeRozan wanted to sign with the NY Knicks as FA’s. Ya’ll are getting twisted over nothing. They chose Chicago and they chose to play together and with Lavine. End of story, close the book.

Brunson is no guarantee either. Just because Rose was his Dads agent. C’mon you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment again. He most will likely resign in the same place that he is having success and that can also pay him more. The Knicks aren’t exactly a big FA draw these days or ever really. If Brunson signs here great, but I won’t be shocked if he doesnt
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2/10/2022  1:26 PM
Rookie wrote:Easy version - neither Ball or DeRozan wanted to sign with the NY Knicks as FA’s. Ya’ll are getting twisted over nothing. They chose Chicago and they chose to play together and with Lavine. End of story, close the book.

Brunson is no guarantee either. Just because Rose was his Dads agent. C’mon you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment again. He most will likely resign in the same place that he is having success and that can also pay him more. The Knicks aren’t exactly a big FA draw these days or ever really. If Brunson signs here great, but I won’t be shocked if he doesnt

Yeah...just follow the rumors. The Knicks and Bulls were rumored for Ball. Lavar even said he wanted Lonzo in NY. It wasn't the Knicks choice. Lonzo wanted Chicago. Also, while a nice player, he isn't the answer to our PG issues.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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2/10/2022  1:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2022  1:57 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Rookie wrote:Easy version - neither Ball or DeRozan wanted to sign with the NY Knicks as FA’s. Ya’ll are getting twisted over nothing. They chose Chicago and they chose to play together and with Lavine. End of story, close the book.

Brunson is no guarantee either. Just because Rose was his Dads agent. C’mon you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment again. He most will likely resign in the same place that he is having success and that can also pay him more. The Knicks aren’t exactly a big FA draw these days or ever really. If Brunson signs here great, but I won’t be shocked if he doesnt

Yeah...just follow the rumors. The Knicks and Bulls were rumored for Ball. Lavar even said he wanted Lonzo in NY. It wasn't the Knicks choice. Lonzo wanted Chicago. Also, while a nice player, he isn't the answer to our PG issues.

You got it twisted, The knicks were not that interested in BALL or Derozen, thats been clearly documented.

At the trade dead line with 30 mill in cap space, and another 30 in expiring contracts they offer the pelicans trash and some 2nd round picks. Some in the FO did not feel Ball was the answer same with founier over Derozen.

Those 2 saw the knicks were not really serious (almost as 3rd options) so they jump on the BULLs wagon

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