Was looking at what $ would look in a Fox for Randle/Noel trade and that popped up.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

There has been only 2 minor trades in the nba this entire season....Rondo and Reddish

This is despite 4 known teams (rockets, Pacers, Thunder, Kings) having fire sales.

There is little to no major expiring contracts this yr , FA for 2022 looks like a TJ MAXX rack sale.

The asking price for Simmons and Fox seems to be a slew of draft picks and and a absolute starter.

The reason they wont get that is because neither is lethal from deep, and that's seems to be a mandatory skill every player needs to have, especially if your a PG.

Leon hasn't made a blockbuster trade since he got here, despite having a boat load of cap space and draft picks, and THIBS is passionate about continuity.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:No reason to trade Randle for cheap. Fix the structure of the team around him until we can add another star then re-assess. Randle may not lead us to a title but he’s not the problem here. The problem is getting nothing out of the PG position and a poor fitting center rotation clogging the paint.

A guy who holds the ball, takes the most shots and shoots a very low % is 100% "the problem." This has NOT been offset but more energy on defense or other areas. I like Julius a lot but he's proving to be not a good fit here on a game by game basis.

Im looking at getting Fox. I dont see that as trading for cheap. Both are talented and flawed players who are both struggling

If you can get Fox that’s fine. Just saying we don’t trade Randle just to trade him.

This is why the Myles Turner trade talk made a ton of sense (for the Knicks at least). His injury quieted that down.

As far as the PG position. The Knicks were fine until Rose went down. So they don't nec. need to make any drastic moves. At worst they get by with Kemba, Quick and Burks until Rose gets back. But I don't think they NEED to give up a bunch of draft capital and/or core players for a PG.

In the end, the Knicks just need to play better defense and start hitting their shots. RJ has been doing it pretty much all season, the rest of the guy, including Fournier, have been wildly inconsistent. Randles shot seems to have completely disappeared.

MaTT4281 wrote:I will be shocked if anything happens with Randle this season - but would be very curious about the dominoes that fall right after. Trade Randle and do not bring a big back - then we play Taj at backup 4 behind Obi? Jericho moves from seasonal to part-time as the 3rd string center?

I've seen speculation about Cam, and maybe I just haven't seen enough of him, but I just can't see him as a PF.

What can we get for Burks/Kemba/picks? Would be worried IQ would be the next to go, just because he carries some value.

To me the Knicks are NOT winning a title with this group so Im still looking for building block players... and that means taking a deeper look at some of our own guys like IQ, Grimes, Reddish, McBride (who is literally too good for the G league), Obi, Sims... I know they want to win but a good FO recognizes where its at and what it needs.

Uptown wrote:Swapping Fox and Randle makes too much sense for both sides. We have two separate styles of play, playing tug-of-war with each other. The slow, plodding, iso-heavy, over-dribbling first unit; and the up-tempo, ball sharing, energetic, fluid offense of the second unit.

Swap out Fox for Randle, and all of a sudden, we are a tremendous first and secondary fast break team. We have an instant identity and would have a team that can provide 48 mins worth of energy. I get the concern about the lack of consistent 3-ball shooting from Fox, but despite that, he still gets into the lane at will. He's 24 and fits the timeline of Obi, RJ, Mitch, Grimes, IQ, etc...Fox can take some of the blame for the losing in Sac-Town, but he hasn't had consistent coaching or a stable front office since he's been there. Get this deal done.