Players +\-
Walker and Randle. -8.2
Walker, RJ and Randle -10.6

Burks, RJ and Randle -2.7

Quickley and RJ +5.2
Quickley and Randle +2.9
Quickley, RJ and Randle +8.8

As you can see, the team runs better with Quickley. He is a solid spot up shooter, he can create for others, and he rarely turns the ball over. Plus, Quickley’s defense is solid. Thibbs needs to move Burks to the second unit and start Quickley. He should have made this move 10 games ago.

WOODMANnYk wrote:problem is Quickley is not a point guard

But Alec Burks is?

I.Q is a combo PG/SG.

Burks is a combo SG/SF.

Burks is absolutely horrendous @ PG while I.Q has some big time potential @ PG.

Alec Burks at PG must come to an end.

NYKMentality wrote:

WOODMANnYk wrote:problem is Quickley is not a point guard

But Alec Burks is?

I.Q is a combo PG/SG.

Burks is a combo SG/SF.

Burks is absolutely horrendous @ PG while I.Q has some big time potential @ PG.

Alec Burks at PG must come to an end.

This is never a good type argument to make.

I don't think Thibs wants Alec as his starting PG, so what are his next best option when Kemba and DRose are out.

Is IQ ready to start is the question. When he plays well, he gets as many minutes as he deserves.

Why is everyone so focused on who starts and not What is the best development path for a guy like IQ?

martin wrote:

TheGame wrote:

WOODMANnYk wrote:problem is Quickley is not a point guard and looks disinterested when he's facilatating the offense. QUickley better suited playing without the ball in his hands. He's effective receiving a pass and shooting or floater. HE cannot run an offense.

So who exactly is running the offense now. Burks is no more a pg than Quickley and Walker is a defensive liability. Yeah, Quickley is not a pure PG but he can run a pick and roll, he can defend, and he gives us a spot up shooter to create good spacing for Randle and RJ. The proof is in the numbers. The team performs better with Quickley at the point. It will not solve all problems but we should see what we have in Quickley and whether he can be a solution at pg. we won’t know that until we start him and give 20-25 games to see what he can do as the starter.

But we already know what he can and cannot do as a backup and it's not even deserving of a starter.

He picks up his dribble in traffic. He doesn't know how to bust a zone. He can't break down his man 1-on-1 to collapse a defense.

In response, I will say the proof is in the numbers. For whatever reason, RJ and Randle become more efficient when Quickley is in the court. It may be that they don’t defer as much and make quicker decisions to attack the rim. Whatever the reason, the team runs better when he plays with RJ and Randle. Additionally, Quickley has some gravity of his own as teams usually guard him tight being afraid of his quick release. This creates more space for others. Furthermore, there is a lot to be unleashed in quickley’s game. He needs to work on exploiting the midrange jumper as he usually only takes a 3 or a difficult floater when he probably could get to a solid midrange shot anytime he wants. He needs to learn to drive and create contact (he seems to avoid contact at the rim). He needs to learn to trust his quickness and blow by people (he dribbles too much and does too much slow probing instead of just setting up a move and going)(I agree in your assessment that he needs to improve in this area). Start him and let the coaching staff use the tape to help fully develop his game.

TheGame wrote:Got these stats from Into the Knicks-verse YouTube page

Players +\-
Walker and Randle. -8.2
Walker, RJ and Randle -10.6

Burks, RJ and Randle -2.7

Quickley and RJ +5.2
Quickley and Randle +2.9
Quickley, RJ and Randle +8.8

As you can see, the team runs better with Quickley. He is a solid spot up shooter, he can create for others, and he rarely turns the ball over. Plus, Quickley’s defense is solid. Thibbs needs to move Burks to the second unit and start Quickley. He should have made this move 10 games ago.

Game……I hear everything that people are saying about starting or not starting IQ and it laughable.

First, there are no PGs in the nba people. Every other team has a SG running the point. This isn’t 1990s, fans and Thibs need to wake up.

If IQ is a better fit with Randle and RJ, what’s the damn argument? Look within and apply the fix. The reason I believe thibs doesn’t want to start IQ is not because he’s not ready. He’s preserving the second unit’s chemistry. But if the starting unit continues to lay an egg, we will lose majority of our games period. I don’t care how much chemistry or biology that 2nd unit has.

I also noticed a positive with the starting unit just off the eye test. IQ is difficult to game plan for because everything he does is off of feel, and not pre-scripted. So good luck looking at film on him. IQ would be the best PG to groom since he has so many offfensive tools in his bag. Defense is a weakness to me because he gets pushed around but so does trae young and Kemba. And they figured out how to balance that out. So I agree with you game. The question is will thibs make that switch? I don’t think so. I believe he rather have rose as our starting PG and I don’t think he wants rose to backup a rookie out of respect for him. Just my humble opinion.

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

TheGame wrote:Got these stats from Into the Knicks-verse YouTube page

Players +\-
Walker and Randle. -8.2
Walker, RJ and Randle -10.6

Burks, RJ and Randle -2.7

Quickley and RJ +5.2
Quickley and Randle +2.9
Quickley, RJ and Randle +8.8

As you can see, the team runs better with Quickley. He is a solid spot up shooter, he can create for others, and he rarely turns the ball over. Plus, Quickley’s defense is solid. Thibbs needs to move Burks to the second unit and start Quickley. He should have made this move 10 games ago.

There is no lineup changes that will fix the issues with the team. The team is better off missing the playoffs completly and hoping they get some lottery luck. They team needs one more big piece but they have no way of making that happen.

7 lottery's in 10 yrs and no franchise talent or PG, and you would still go that route?

They would probably draft another SG/SF to further the glut.

In our last 2 Games, IQ looked nothing like a PG, couldn't break down the defense, and shot 40 footers, he was yanked early

RJ?

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

TheGame wrote:Got these stats from Into the Knicks-verse YouTube page

Players +\-
Walker and Randle. -8.2
Walker, RJ and Randle -10.6

Burks, RJ and Randle -2.7

Quickley and RJ +5.2
Quickley and Randle +2.9
Quickley, RJ and Randle +8.8

As you can see, the team runs better with Quickley. He is a solid spot up shooter, he can create for others, and he rarely turns the ball over. Plus, Quickley’s defense is solid. Thibbs needs to move Burks to the second unit and start Quickley. He should have made this move 10 games ago.

There is no lineup changes that will fix the issues with the team. The team is better off missing the playoffs completly and hoping they get some lottery luck. They team needs one more big piece but they have no way of making that happen.

7 lottery's in 10 yrs and no franchise talent or PG, and you would still go that route?

They would probably draft another SG/SF to further the glut.

In our last 2 Games, IQ looked nothing like a PG, couldn't break down the defense, and shot 40 footers, he was yanked early

RJ?

RJ is a good player but he isn't a franchise player.

KP almost there until injury and douchary

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:IQ was looking like a real deal PG today 6 assists/0 turnovers despite only 18 minutes.

He looks OK sometimes so that gives you the impressionhesa he can be a decent pg.

I would rather have as a 6th man scorer

Lou williams is his favorite player..nuff said

Quickley made some great passes today. He is too young and too talented to say what he can or cannot be at this point. Start him and give him the confidence that we trust him to run the point. I think he will excel if given the reps and the freedom to make mistakes. In any case, this is his second year. The team needs to know what they have and with Walker hurt and Rose out, there is no reason not to give Quickley run as the starting PG. if he excels, maybe we solved our PG problem. If he bombs, then the team knows for sure that he is just a 6th man, and you can develop him for that role going forward. Most guys take 2-3 years to develop into starting level PGs.

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