blkexec wrote:

Philc1 wrote:How big a debacle would Zion be right now?

Huge…just curious how the NO fans are handling it. Are they trashing Zion? I know knick fans would’ve.

Kid is 21. Would still be in college if not for basketball. Sure it is disappointing for NO that he was hurt and is having weight issues. However, I will bet the house that he is back balling within two years and all this talk will be forgotten. The outhouse though.

blkexec wrote:

Philc1 wrote:How big a debacle would Zion be right now?

Huge…just curious how the NO fans are handling it. Are they trashing Zion? I know knick fans would’ve.

The 2 New Orleans pelicans fans that exist are upset they might go to bourbon st to drink a couple hand grenades

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Media and fans would be crucifying Knicks FO and owner. Just as much as if Zion hadn't been taken with the first pick.

ESPN would have had to create another channel just to bash the Knicks for taking Zion over Ja

RJ hasn’t been great but he’s better than Zion

folks dont hate the knicks as much as you seem to think. they are irrelevant outside of the tri-state area. ill say it over and over, the only team from ny i have seen hated no matter what is the yankees. distant second is the giants. no one worries about the knicks, jets, mets, rangers, islanders. what points can you score on with folks given the knicks are closing in on 50 years with no title, 20+ with a clown show/owner nuttiness, general lack of success on the court? outside of knick fans, whats to really make fun of that is worth that much time/effort? the yankees go on a bad run, folks love it cuz they have a history of winning. the knicks do not.

as for the thread -- i would not say it is safe to assume had the knicks gotten the guy, everything would have played out as it has now. it could have been worse, or perhaps better. throw in curry as a similar compare point. his 3rd season was cut short to injury. would the knicks have bailed before an extension if he had landed hear and that same injury took place?

smackeddog wrote:I just wish we'd landed the 2nd pick- we were so close to Ja Morant, who would have been the answer to our prayers

I was thinking about it last night. We were one pick away from Steph Curry AND one pick away from Ja Morant within a 10 year period.

FML

smackeddog wrote:I just wish we'd landed the 2nd pick- we were so close to Ja Morant, who would have been the answer to our prayers

Yeah...but the Knicks have had plenty of opportunities to select a capable PG in the past

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Donovan Mitchell
Daruis Garland
Tyrese Haliburton
......I would even add Cole Anthony to that mix who is becoming a pretty good floor general.

Point is, the PG position has been a problem for years, yet the Knicks, for some odd reason, seem to prioritize other positions.

Swishfm3 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I just wish we'd landed the 2nd pick- we were so close to Ja Morant, who would have been the answer to our prayers

Yeah...but the Knicks have had plenty of opportunities to select a capable PG in the past

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Donovan Mitchell
Daruis Garland
Tyrese Haliburton
......I would even add Cole Anthony to that mix who is becoming a pretty good floor general.

Point is, the PG position has been a problem for years, yet the Knicks, for some odd reason, seem to prioritize other positions.

Would rather have RJ over Garland who btw already has a significant injury history

KnickDanger wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Media and fans would be crucifying Knicks FO and owner. Just as much as if Zion hadn't been taken with the first pick.

ESPN would have had to create another channel just to bash the Knicks for taking Zion over Ja

RJ hasn’t been great but he’s better than Zion

folks dont hate the knicks as much as you seem to think. they are irrelevant outside of the tri-state area. ill say it over and over, the only team from ny i have seen hated no matter what is the yankees. distant second is the giants. no one worries about the knicks, jets, mets, rangers, islanders. what points can you score on with folks given the knicks are closing in on 50 years with no title, 20+ with a clown show/owner nuttiness, general lack of success on the court? outside of knick fans, whats to really make fun of that is worth that much time/effort? the yankees go on a bad run, folks love it cuz they have a history of winning. the knicks do not.

as for the thread -- i would not say it is safe to assume had the knicks gotten the guy, everything would have played out as it has now. it could have been worse, or perhaps better. throw in curry as a similar compare point. his 3rd season was cut short to injury. would the knicks have bailed before an extension if he had landed hear and that same injury took place?

Maybe you're younger than me but being a knicks fan in the 90's was not a hip or trendy thing. Literally everyone was a Chicago Bulls fan and the knicks were the enemy. That's the main reason NBA TV ratings have nose dived in the past 20 years - Jordan retired and the fair weather bulls fans have nothing to do now except bash the knicks on cable tv talk shows or buy into media hype anytime the team plays well

fan since a kid in the mid 80s. what you say i havent seen being outside of ny for over 20 years. fam who live out west, atl, dc/bmore -- no one cares about the knicks unless you are a fan. there is little to nothing to gain by trashing a team that has no relevance. who does that score points with? what audience gives a hoot?

Have to disagree. First, mine like a lot of comments are hyperbole with a cynically humorous edge -- well that's the intention anyway. Second there is perception and bias. And then there is the fact I do live in NYC. But I do listen to and read national media and to my mind Knicks "hate" and "clowning" reached a peak prior to last season. In my opinion it in essence started as "Phil hate" -- the mess PJ inherited compounded by his own mistakes but mostly his aloofness and condescension to the media. And subsequently he was ripped for picking KP (I remember Stephen A screaming that it should have been Stanley Johnson). The same media killed the Knicks a few years later for "the worst trade ever" when they jettisoned Douchezingis for picks and cap space. The Frank pick too (fairly in retrospect I suppose but it was hated and clowned before he ever stepped on the court at the age of 18). I recall tons of ridicule when they "lost" the Zion sweepstakes via ping pong balls. I recall an ESPN gasbag calling RJ "a bust" after his second Summer League game! And don't forget the trashing after KD and Kyrie signed maxes to be with the Nets. These are just off the top of my head.

Anyway, no I don't think the Knicks are the focus of the national mindset -- they're too busy brown nosing the Nets, Lakers, Warriors etc. But that they are sloughed off as "same old Knicks" as a cheap punchline and then encouraged to "do whatever it takes' to get Westbrook/Beal/Wall/Lillard/Myles Turner....

Well Put! outside of NYC nobody really cares about the Knicks. They care about KD alot but not the Nets. Lebron has his followers and they don't care about where he plays. Jordan lovers dont' care a rats ass about the Bulls.
If he was in the modern game with Lebron he too would likely have moved about to get paid and win. Bulls could pay him over 30mm his last three years. Nobody could pay him over 18mm. This was 25 years ago!!!
NBA fans love Steph Curry.
me, I like watching Kyrie. Dude is the best handle in the game. Curry can shoot, Durant is smooth. Fan of good proball. Thats my choice.
Knick fans are arrogant. Thats ok but it comes with a price. Players come to the big stage and want to make their mark.

RJ is growing up before your eyes on the big stage. Far lessor have crumbled to the pressure. He is handling it. Kudos.
Drose **** on us, then earned our respect.
Randle arrived and "We Here". WE built him up and then tore him down vs. ATL. Now he is held to a higher standard. is it fair? Nope. Do we leave him alone? Not gonna happen.
Its tough here.
Memphis buiding something nice for Ja to play with. WE would not have done that. Zion would have been a disaster here. Ja would have been good still. Maybe RJ is killing it in Memphis and we like "WE should have taken him?"
Mabye. Soulds like us, don't it? Own it.

Nalod wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Media and fans would be crucifying Knicks FO and owner. Just as much as if Zion hadn't been taken with the first pick.

ESPN would have had to create another channel just to bash the Knicks for taking Zion over Ja

RJ hasn’t been great but he’s better than Zion

folks dont hate the knicks as much as you seem to think. they are irrelevant outside of the tri-state area. ill say it over and over, the only team from ny i have seen hated no matter what is the yankees. distant second is the giants. no one worries about the knicks, jets, mets, rangers, islanders. what points can you score on with folks given the knicks are closing in on 50 years with no title, 20+ with a clown show/owner nuttiness, general lack of success on the court? outside of knick fans, whats to really make fun of that is worth that much time/effort? the yankees go on a bad run, folks love it cuz they have a history of winning. the knicks do not.

as for the thread -- i would not say it is safe to assume had the knicks gotten the guy, everything would have played out as it has now. it could have been worse, or perhaps better. throw in curry as a similar compare point. his 3rd season was cut short to injury. would the knicks have bailed before an extension if he had landed hear and that same injury took place?

Maybe you're younger than me but being a knicks fan in the 90's was not a hip or trendy thing. Literally everyone was a Chicago Bulls fan and the knicks were the enemy. That's the main reason NBA TV ratings have nose dived in the past 20 years - Jordan retired and the fair weather bulls fans have nothing to do now except bash the knicks on cable tv talk shows or buy into media hype anytime the team plays well

fan since a kid in the mid 80s. what you say i havent seen being outside of ny for over 20 years. fam who live out west, atl, dc/bmore -- no one cares about the knicks unless you are a fan. there is little to nothing to gain by trashing a team that has no relevance. who does that score points with? what audience gives a hoot?

Have to disagree. First, mine like a lot of comments are hyperbole with a cynically humorous edge -- well that's the intention anyway. Second there is perception and bias. And then there is the fact I do live in NYC. But I do listen to and read national media and to my mind Knicks "hate" and "clowning" reached a peak prior to last season. In my opinion it in essence started as "Phil hate" -- the mess PJ inherited compounded by his own mistakes but mostly his aloofness and condescension to the media. And subsequently he was ripped for picking KP (I remember Stephen A screaming that it should have been Stanley Johnson). The same media killed the Knicks a few years later for "the worst trade ever" when they jettisoned Douchezingis for picks and cap space. The Frank pick too (fairly in retrospect I suppose but it was hated and clowned before he ever stepped on the court at the age of 18). I recall tons of ridicule when they "lost" the Zion sweepstakes via ping pong balls. I recall an ESPN gasbag calling RJ "a bust" after his second Summer League game! And don't forget the trashing after KD and Kyrie signed maxes to be with the Nets. These are just off the top of my head.

Anyway, no I don't think the Knicks are the focus of the national mindset -- they're too busy brown nosing the Nets, Lakers, Warriors etc. But that they are sloughed off as "same old Knicks" as a cheap punchline and then encouraged to "do whatever it takes' to get Westbrook/Beal/Wall/Lillard/Myles Turner....

Well Put! outside of NYC nobody really cares about the Knicks. They care about KD alot but not the Nets. Lebron has his followers and they don't care about where he plays. Jordan lovers dont' care a rats ass about the Bulls.
If he was in the modern game with Lebron he too would likely have moved about to get paid and win. Bulls could pay him over 30mm his last three years. Nobody could pay him over 18mm. This was 25 years ago!!!
NBA fans love Steph Curry.
me, I like watching Kyrie. Dude is the best handle in the game. Curry can shoot, Durant is smooth. Fan of good proball. Thats my choice.
Knick fans are arrogant. Thats ok but it comes with a price. Players come to the big stage and want to make their mark.

RJ is growing up before your eyes on the big stage. Far lessor have crumbled to the pressure. He is handling it. Kudos.
Drose **** on us, then earned our respect.
Randle arrived and "We Here". WE built him up and then tore him down vs. ATL. Now he is held to a higher standard. is it fair? Nope. Do we leave him alone? Not gonna happen.
Its tough here.
[b]Memphis buiding something nice for Ja to play with. WE would not have done that. Zion would have been a disaster here. Ja would have been good still. Maybe RJ is killing it in Memphis and we like "WE should have taken him?"
Mabye. Soulds like us, don't it? Own it.[b]

All very true

Philc1 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I just wish we'd landed the 2nd pick- we were so close to Ja Morant, who would have been the answer to our prayers

Yeah...but the Knicks have had plenty of opportunities to select a capable PG in the past

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Donovan Mitchell
Daruis Garland
Tyrese Haliburton
......I would even add Cole Anthony to that mix who is becoming a pretty good floor general.

Point is, the PG position has been a problem for years, yet the Knicks, for some odd reason, seem to prioritize other positions.

Would rather have RJ over Garland who btw already has a significant injury history